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		<title>By: Iraq Death Hits Home By Laurel Wamsley</title>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Advanced SearchplaceAd(3,&#039;slate.homepage/marginad&#039;)  placeAd(6,&#039;slate.homepage/slate&#039;);today&#039;s blogs&#160; &#160; The latest chatter in cyberspace.Iraq Death Hits HomeBy Laurel WamsleyPosted Thursday, Aug. 4, 2005, at 7:04 PM ET Bloggers are mourning the death of freelance journalist Steven Vincent. They also discuss John Roberts&#039; pro bono work on a gay rights case and question President Bush&#039;s assertion that Intelligent Design should be taught in science classes.Iraq death hits home: Freelancer writer and National Review contributor Steven Vincent was kidnapped and killed on Tuesday in Basra; he&#039;s the first American journalist to be murdered during the war.Vincent kept his own blog from Iraq, In The Red Zone, and some bloggers claimed Vincent as one of their own. &quot;[T]oday I realized that &#039;journalist&#039; was exactly the right description for Steven Vincent,&quot; eulogizes Greyhawk at military blog Mudville Gazette. &quot;It&#039;s just that it&#039;s the wrong description for many who would actually claim it for themselves. …[O]utside the &#039;Green Zone&#039;, away from the protection of US forces, there was one American journalist in Iraq. He was killed, and then there were none.&quot; Others, including conservative Ed Morrissey at Captain&#039;s Quarters, link Vincent&#039;s murder to his Op-Ed piece in Sunday&#039;s New York Times criticizing the British military for allowing Shiite radicals to infiltrate local police forces. &quot;His kidnappers may come from that group, rather than a Zarqawi faction,&quot; Morrissey notes. &quot;[O]ne would suppose that the latter would have taken advantage of Vincent&#039;s notoriety in the West for a ransom demand or at least a videotaped execution and statement.&quot;Continue Article placeAd(2,&#039;slate.homepage/slate&#039;)LadyBird, an Iraqi at Baghdad Dweller, reminds readers that 63 journalists died in Iraq before Vincent: &quot;Is being an American journalist makes people more superior than the others or I missed something?&quot;Read more about Steven Vincent here. Kathryn Jean Lopez of the National Review eulogizes Vincent and provides links to his articles here.Judging Roberts: An L.A. Times article discloses that Supreme Court nominee John Roberts did pro bono work for the plaintiffs in Romer v. Evans, a landmark ruling protecting people from discrimination based on sexual orientation. &quot;The fact that Roberts agreed to participate in Romer at least suggests that he was not viscerally, fundamentally opposed to the pro-gay rights result that the plaintiffs sought in that case,&quot; reasons David at Massachusetts policy blog Blue Mass. Group. &quot;And that, to me, suggests that he is not the ideologue that the Dobsonites want.&quot;Others tried to fit this new information into the upcoming Senate confirmation hearings. &quot;I think the effects are dual,&quot; writes Justin, a commenter at Washington Monthly&#039;s Political Animal. &quot;[T]o soften roberts in the eyes of liberals: a true crazy right winger would stand up for their bigoted beliefs rather than represent gay activists. It will upset some on the right for the same reason. Though fewer than the number of liberals that are swayed toward yes on roberts.&quot;Law professor Ann Althouse offers a different perspective. &quot;Romer presented very important issues about democratic processes and the relative power of state and local government,&quot; she writes. &quot;These issues transcended gay rights and might well have strongly engaged a person who did not care one way or the other about the gay rights movement.&quot; Commenting on the post, Finn Kristiansen adds: &quot;Who a lawyer represents, however nobly, is important. You can really be good and brilliant at what you do, head down to the task at hand, in effect tying your intellect and skills, in oppenheimeresque fashion, to the equivalent of an atomic bomb that explodes over society.&quot; Read more about John Roberts&#039; pro bono history here.How intelligent? Bloggers are unimpressed by President Bush&#039;s remarks that he believes Intelligent Design should be taught alongside evolution in schools.&quot;Bush&#039;s shocking new statements on wanting to teach Intelligent Design/Creationism are nothing new,&quot; shrugs Atrios at famed liberal blog Eschaton. &quot;… Kudos to our wonderful media for treating this as a he said/she said issue, where one side is the entire legitimate scientific community and the other side consists of a bunch of good Christian liars trying to dress their religion up as science. They tried once before with &#039;Creation Science&#039; and now they&#039;re trying again with &#039;Intelligent Design.&#039;&quot;Kevin Boyd at Louisiana Libertarian wants no part of it. &quot;The only way to stop moonbats like George W. Bush from promoting this nonsense in government schools is to get government out of education,&quot; fumes the self-desribed neolibertarian Republican. &quot;If you want your child to be taught creationism … send them to a school that teaches it. Don&#039;t force the government to teach my children that nonsense in a science class.&quot;But conservative blogger and author Hugh Hewitt thinks Bush&#039;s remarks were in line with those of most Americans. &quot;The non-believing slice of America --way, way overrepresented in the nation&#039;s newsrooms-- seems to think that any mention of ID equates to snake handling,&quot; he bristles. &quot;Fine. The &#039;values voters&#039; hear &#039;intelligent design&#039; and think –&#039;of course God is behind creation.&#039;&quot;Read more about Bush&#039;s comments on Intelligent Design here.Questions? Comments? E-mail document.write(&quot;&quot;)document.write(&quot;todaysblogs&quot;+&quot;@&quot;+&quot;slate.com&quot;);document.write(&#039;&#039;);.Laurel Wamsley is a student at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. 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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[…] Advanced SearchplaceAd(3,‘slate.homepage/marginad’)  placeAd(6,‘slate.homepage/slate’);today’s blogs    The latest chatter in cyberspace.Iraq Death Hits HomeBy Laurel WamsleyPosted Thursday, Aug. 4, 2005, at 7:04 PM ET Bloggers are mourning the death of freelance journalist Steven Vincent. They also discuss John Roberts’ pro bono work on a gay rights case and question President Bush’s assertion that Intelligent Design should be taught in science classes.Iraq death hits home: Freelancer writer and National Review contributor Steven Vincent was kidnapped and killed on Tuesday in Basra; he’s the first American journalist to be murdered during the war.Vincent kept his own blog from Iraq, In The Red Zone, and some bloggers claimed Vincent as one of their own. “[T]oday I realized that ‘journalist’ was exactly the right description for Steven Vincent,” eulogizes Greyhawk at military blog Mudville Gazette. “It’s just that it’s the wrong description for many who would actually claim it for themselves. …[O]utside the ‘Green Zone’, away from the protection of US forces, there was one American journalist in Iraq. He was killed, and then there were none.” Others, including conservative Ed Morrissey at Captain’s Quarters, link Vincent’s murder to his Op-Ed piece in Sunday’s New York Times criticizing the British military for allowing Shiite radicals to infiltrate local police forces. “His kidnappers may come from that group, rather than a Zarqawi faction,” Morrissey notes. “[O]ne would suppose that the latter would have taken advantage of Vincent’s notoriety in the West for a ransom demand or at least a videotaped execution and statement.“Continue Article placeAd(2,‘slate.homepage/slate’)LadyBird, an Iraqi at Baghdad Dweller, reminds readers that 63 journalists died in Iraq before Vincent: “Is being an American journalist makes people more superior than the others or I missed something?“Read more about Steven Vincent here. Kathryn Jean Lopez of the National Review eulogizes Vincent and provides links to his articles here.Judging Roberts: An L.A. Times article discloses that Supreme Court nominee John Roberts did pro bono work for the plaintiffs in Romer v. Evans, a landmark ruling protecting people from discrimination based on sexual orientation. “The fact that Roberts agreed to participate in Romer at least suggests that he was not viscerally, fundamentally opposed to the pro-gay rights result that the plaintiffs sought in that case,” reasons David at Massachusetts policy blog Blue Mass. Group. “And that, to me, suggests that he is not the ideologue that the Dobsonites want.“Others tried to fit this new information into the upcoming Senate confirmation hearings. “I think the effects are dual,” writes Justin, a commenter at Washington Monthly’s Political Animal. “[T]o soften roberts in the eyes of liberals: a true crazy right winger would stand up for their bigoted beliefs rather than represent gay activists. It will upset some on the right for the same reason. Though fewer than the number of liberals that are swayed toward yes on roberts.“Law professor Ann Althouse offers a different perspective. “Romer presented very important issues about democratic processes and the relative power of state and local government,” she writes. “These issues transcended gay rights and might well have strongly engaged a person who did not care one way or the other about the gay rights movement.” Commenting on the post, Finn Kristiansen adds: “Who a lawyer represents, however nobly, is important. You can really be good and brilliant at what you do, head down to the task at hand, in effect tying your intellect and skills, in oppenheimeresque fashion, to the equivalent of an atomic bomb that explodes over society.” Read more about John Roberts’ pro bono history here.How intelligent? Bloggers are unimpressed by President Bush’s remarks that he believes Intelligent Design should be taught alongside evolution in schools.“Bush’s shocking new statements on wanting to teach Intelligent Design/Creationism are nothing new,” shrugs Atrios at famed liberal blog Eschaton. “… Kudos to our wonderful media for treating this as a he said/she said issue, where one side is the entire legitimate scientific community and the other side consists of a bunch of good Christian liars trying to dress their religion up as science. They tried once before with ‘Creation Science’ and now they’re trying again with ‘Intelligent Design.’”Kevin Boyd at Louisiana Libertarian wants no part of it. “The only way to stop moonbats like George W. Bush from promoting this nonsense in government schools is to get government out of education,” fumes the self-desribed neolibertarian Republican. “If you want your child to be taught creationism … send them to a school that teaches it. Don’t force the government to teach my children that nonsense in a science class.“But conservative blogger and author Hugh Hewitt thinks Bush’s remarks were in line with those of most Americans. “The non-believing slice of America –way, way overrepresented in the nation’s newsrooms– seems to think that any mention of ID equates to snake handling,” he bristles. “Fine. The ‘values voters’ hear ‘intelligent design’ and think –‘of course God is behind creation.’”Read more about Bush’s comments on Intelligent Design here.Questions? Comments? E-mail document.write(“”)document.write(“todaysblogs”+”@”+“slate.com”);document.write(”);.Laurel Wamsley is a student at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. More today’s blogsSearching and SearchingThe latest chatter in cyberspace.posted Jan. 20, 2006Darren EversonLobbying for ReformThe latest chatter in cyberspace.posted Jan. 19, 2006Melonyce McAfeeHot ChocolateThe latest chatter in cyberspace.posted Jan. 18, 2006Michael WeissSino-Russian DiplomacyThe latest chatter in cyberspace.posted Jan. 17, 2006Michael WeissBetting on the HouseThe latest chatter in cyberspace.posted Jan. 13, 2006David Wallace-WellsSearch for more Today’s Blogs in our archive.What did you think of this article?Join the Fray, our reader discussion forumPOST A MESSAGE READ MESSAGES         .sstitle {font-family: verdana;color:#880000;} .sshead {font-family:verdana;color:#000000} .ssbody {font-family:verdana;color:#808080} .sslink,A.sslink {font-family:verdana;color:#660033} Arts &amp; LifeLouis SacharYou’ve never heard of Louis Sachar? Oh, come on. Ask a 9-year-old. 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		<title>By: bronte</title>
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		<dc:creator>bronte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 18:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>interesting that men (and i use the term loosely) who are so quick to jump on the lady who owns the blog and call her out for her immaturity are then so quick to turn around and use exactly the same tactics... 

&quot;You’ve shown your cards and you’ve completely lost the respect of the commenters who used to trust you&quot;

uh oh - losing the respect of spineless hypocrites, im sure she&#039;ll lose many nights sleep over that one!

in regards to where michael comes from, what relevance does that have to anything? it seems that in arguments you are so clearly losing, you&#039;re very quick to try to turn it around to pointless irrelevant issues like that, or a name. 

ladybird, keep writing. it is insightful and genuine, and people on the other side of the world trying to tell you how to feel and what reality is are morons. i appreciate the honesty in your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting that men (and i use the term loosely) who are so quick to jump on the lady who owns the blog and call her out for her immaturity are then so quick to turn around and use exactly the same tactics… </p>
<p>“You’ve shown your cards and you’ve completely lost the respect of the commenters who used to trust you”</p>
<p>uh oh — losing the respect of spineless hypocrites, im sure she’ll lose many nights sleep over that one!</p>
<p>in regards to where michael comes from, what relevance does that have to anything? it seems that in arguments you are so clearly losing, you’re very quick to try to turn it around to pointless irrelevant issues like that, or a name. </p>
<p>ladybird, keep writing. it is insightful and genuine, and people on the other side of the world trying to tell you how to feel and what reality is are morons. i appreciate the honesty in your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: CMAR II</title>
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		<dc:creator>CMAR II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that a man who lives in Cuba would be skeptical of the information coming from the elected US administration, and NGOs, and the elected Iraqi government who are all digging up the mass graves, but wholly credulous of all Fidel and Saddam says.

They&#039;ll never lie to you Michael. Hahahahahaha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that a man who lives in Cuba would be skeptical of the information coming from the elected US administration, and NGOs, and the elected Iraqi government who are all digging up the mass graves, but wholly credulous of all Fidel and Saddam says.</p>
<p>They’ll never lie to you Michael. Hahahahahaha!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey -- New York</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey -- New York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 21:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

Um ... what country did you say you were from?

Oh, riiiiiight.

&quot;Cuba.&quot;

Sure.  Whatever you say.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Um … what country did you say you were from?</p>
<p>Oh, riiiiiight.</p>
<p>“Cuba.”</p>
<p>Sure.  Whatever you say.</p>
<p>*</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 21:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff(rey) you best go and get yourself another drink.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 21:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point is though Louise is that there have been many estimates on the number of people killed by Saddam, although that definition seems to include those who died during the war against Iraq and Iran. Mass graves totalling between 5 and 30,000 are the only ones to be actually found.
So what about the 700,000 Iraqis who have lost their lives due to the Bush&#039;s and Clinton, why are you not concerned about those?
Of course the Americans are the closest thing we have witnessed to the Nazis of the last century, how can there be any doubt about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is though Louise is that there have been many estimates on the number of people killed by Saddam, although that definition seems to include those who died during the war against Iraq and Iran. Mass graves totalling between 5 and 30,000 are the only ones to be actually found.<br />
So what about the 700,000 Iraqis who have lost their lives due to the Bush’s and Clinton, why are you not concerned about those?<br />
Of course the Americans are the closest thing we have witnessed to the Nazis of the last century, how can there be any doubt about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey -- New York</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey -- New York</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 20:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Louise,

If you want to have a real laugh-riot with Michael, just ask him what country he lives in.

And believe me, it isn&#039;t Cuba.  Heh heh.  Let him try out his Freshman-level Spanish on you for kicks.  It&#039;s a hoot.  Hey, Michael, was that &quot;por&quot; or &quot;para&quot;?  Dimwit.

Michael hates Americans, but refuses to say what country he lives in.

Convenient, isn&#039;t it, Michael?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louise,</p>
<p>If you want to have a real laugh-riot with Michael, just ask him what country he lives in.</p>
<p>And believe me, it isn’t Cuba.  Heh heh.  Let him try out his Freshman-level Spanish on you for kicks.  It’s a hoot.  Hey, Michael, was that “por” or “para”?  Dimwit.</p>
<p>Michael hates Americans, but refuses to say what country he lives in.</p>
<p>Convenient, isn’t it, Michael?</p>
<p>*</p>
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		<title>By: Louise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 20:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny you should leave out the last statement from that article: A Downing Street spokesman said: &#039;While experts may disagree on the exact figures, human rights groups, governments and politicians across the world have no doubt that Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of his own people and their remains are buried in sites throughout Iraq.&#039;

Do you have a threshold for the number of people that have to be killed before you will admit that it is genocide?  Or does none of that matter unless you can blame it on the US.  

Michael, just how much do you value the lives of people who live under brutal dictatorships?  It seems to me you have some sort of psycopathic need to use them.  You stand on their backs, as if their remains were a mere soapbox whose only purpose is to provide you with a platform from which to  bark your hatred at the US.

And by the way, the first figure estimating the number of dead in Iraq I ever read was 500,000, and it came from one of many Iraqi human rights groups who had been asking for outside intervention to help in bringing down the regime.  Did they over estimate in order to strengthen their case?  Maybe they did.  It will likely take years before experts come to an agreement on the number of people who actually were killed by that regime and its policies.  

But again, you seem to imply that there is some sort of &quot;acceptable&quot; level when it comes to a genocide body count.  Is there any case of genocide in the world, past or present, that would have motivated you to take action against it?  

I suspect you would prefer the status quo, no matter where the slaughter is taking place, as long as you can twist it to your own sick purposes.  To me, that makes you the fascist and you are hardly the one to go around accusing others of being a Goebbels.  If I&#039;m wrong, then by what criteria, if any, would you think action to end a genocide is justified?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny you should leave out the last statement from that article: A Downing Street spokesman said: ‘While experts may disagree on the exact figures, human rights groups, governments and politicians across the world have no doubt that Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of his own people and their remains are buried in sites throughout Iraq.’</p>
<p>Do you have a threshold for the number of people that have to be killed before you will admit that it is genocide?  Or does none of that matter unless you can blame it on the US.  </p>
<p>Michael, just how much do you value the lives of people who live under brutal dictatorships?  It seems to me you have some sort of psycopathic need to use them.  You stand on their backs, as if their remains were a mere soapbox whose only purpose is to provide you with a platform from which to  bark your hatred at the US.</p>
<p>And by the way, the first figure estimating the number of dead in Iraq I ever read was 500,000, and it came from one of many Iraqi human rights groups who had been asking for outside intervention to help in bringing down the regime.  Did they over estimate in order to strengthen their case?  Maybe they did.  It will likely take years before experts come to an agreement on the number of people who actually were killed by that regime and its policies.  </p>
<p>But again, you seem to imply that there is some sort of “acceptable” level when it comes to a genocide body count.  Is there any case of genocide in the world, past or present, that would have motivated you to take action against it?  </p>
<p>I suspect you would prefer the status quo, no matter where the slaughter is taking place, as long as you can twist it to your own sick purposes.  To me, that makes you the fascist and you are hardly the one to go around accusing others of being a Goebbels.  If I’m wrong, then by what criteria, if any, would you think action to end a genocide is justified?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 18:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Unless you are calling Tony Blair a liar.&lt;/strong&gt;
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1263830,00.html

PM admits graves claim &#039;untrue&#039; 

Peter Beaumont, foreign affairs editor
Sunday July 18, 2004
The Observer 

Downing Street has admitted to &lt;strong&gt;The Observer that repeated claims by Tony Blair that &#039;400,000 bodies had been found in Iraqi mass graves&#039; is untrue, and only about 5,000 corpses have so far been uncovered.
The claims by Blair in November and December of last year, were given widespread credence, quoted by MPs and widely published, including in the introduction to a US government pamphlet on Iraq&#039;s mass graves.&lt;/strong&gt;In that publication - Iraq&#039;s Legacy of Terror: Mass Graves produced by USAID, the US government aid distribution agency, Blair is quoted from 20 November last year: &#039;We&#039;ve already discovered, just so far, the remains of 400,000 people in mass graves.&#039;

On 14 December Blair repeated the claim in a statement issued by Downing Street in response to the arrest of Saddam Hussein and posted on the Labour party website that: &#039;The remains of 400,000 human beings [have] already [been] found in mass graves.&#039;

The admission that the figure has been hugely inflated follows a week in which Blair accepted responsibility for charges in the Butler report over the way in which Downing Street pushed intelligence reports &#039;to the outer limits&#039; in the case for the threat posed by Iraq.

Downing Street&#039;s admission comes amid growing questions over precisely how many perished under Saddam&#039;s three decades of terror, and the location of the bodies of the dead.

The Baathist regime was responsible for massive human rights abuses and murder on a large scale - not least in well-documented campaigns including the gassing of Halabja, the al-Anfal campaign against Kurdish villages and the brutal repression of the Shia uprising - but serious questions are now emerging about the scale of Saddam Hussein&#039;s murders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Unless you are calling Tony Blair a liar.</strong><br />
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<p>PM admits graves claim ‘untrue’ </p>
<p>Peter Beaumont, foreign affairs editor<br />
Sunday July 18, 2004<br />
The Observer </p>
<p>Downing Street has admitted to <strong>The Observer that repeated claims by Tony Blair that ‘400,000 bodies had been found in Iraqi mass graves’ is untrue, and only about 5,000 corpses have so far been uncovered.<br />
The claims by Blair in November and December of last year, were given widespread credence, quoted by MPs and widely published, including in the introduction to a US government pamphlet on Iraq’s mass graves.</strong>In that publication — Iraq’s Legacy of Terror: Mass Graves produced by USAID, the US government aid distribution agency, Blair is quoted from 20 November last year: ‘We’ve already discovered, just so far, the remains of 400,000 people in mass graves.’</p>
<p>On 14 December Blair repeated the claim in a statement issued by Downing Street in response to the arrest of Saddam Hussein and posted on the Labour party website that: ‘The remains of 400,000 human beings [have] already [been] found in mass graves.’</p>
<p>The admission that the figure has been hugely inflated follows a week in which Blair accepted responsibility for charges in the Butler report over the way in which Downing Street pushed intelligence reports ‘to the outer limits’ in the case for the threat posed by Iraq.</p>
<p>Downing Street’s admission comes amid growing questions over precisely how many perished under Saddam’s three decades of terror, and the location of the bodies of the dead.</p>
<p>The Baathist regime was responsible for massive human rights abuses and murder on a large scale — not least in well-documented campaigns including the gassing of Halabja, the al-Anfal campaign against Kurdish villages and the brutal repression of the Shia uprising — but serious questions are now emerging about the scale of Saddam Hussein’s murders.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<description>That&#039;s true Louise, but a Google search on WMD Iraq will give even more results, but surely even you would now accept that as being bunkum. If you find any websites actually confirming these mass graves have been found and where they have been found I would be very interested. But I don&#039;t believe you will, this 300,000 figure came straight from an American Joseph Goebbels in the propaganda department.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s true Louise, but a Google search on WMD Iraq will give even more results, but surely even you would now accept that as being bunkum. If you find any websites actually confirming these mass graves have been found and where they have been found I would be very interested. But I don’t believe you will, this 300,000 figure came straight from an American Joseph Goebbels in the propaganda department.</p>
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