From Iraqirabita [Thanks Nadia][on the website there are more images]: 10 August American soldiers shot 40 years old, 8 months pregnant Iraqi women in front of her house in Mosul and killed her fetus, the soldiers left the scene without giving the woman the medical attention or offering any assistance, neighbors took the woman to the hospital, the woman survived but her fetus took the bullet in his chest and came out through his back and he already was dead.
I will add my voice to Iraqirabita website and ask Human rights organization for a direct investigation and prosecution of the sodiers who caused this crime.
On the same issue [ private emails and confirmed by asharqalawsa newspaper] American soldiers killed a well-known Iraqi cardiologist and heart surgeon Dr Basil Abbas who is treating my father currently.
Dr Basil been shoot in Baghdad on the highway in his way to his work
Normally I don’t publish Graphic pictures on this Blog but this one is exceptional.
Michael,
I’m not going to fisk your last post.There was not a single answer in it that was not totally divorced from reality. It was a good laugh though.
Later. Don’t forget to polish your giant egg-shaped head.
That’s because you can’t CMAR, you are writing rubbish and you obviously have no idea of what you are trying to write about.
I will keep shooting down your fantasies with facts, it’s really quite easy. You simply don’t have the faintest idea of reality.
I thought the tiresome Michael was going to watch some football some 20 posts ago. Don’t let us hold you up from engaging your 141 IQ with something worthy of your grasp of events.
Well, just two things before you FINALLY leave:
(1) Let’s accept your eminent view that Bush is stupid: wll, his leadership kicked the s-t out of the tyrant and bully, Saddam Hussein, (IQ 666) and the Iraqi army collapsed like a house of cards or melted away before having to fight. Not since Agincourt have the happy Few had such a victory over the such a large of arrogant, preening aristocrats.I will settle for stupidity of that oredr in the leader of the Free World.
(2) your King Charles’s Head is that the invasion is illegal. Setting asie your failure to provide the law broken, the characteristic of a legal system is that breaches of the law, except de minimis, are enforced. there is no one to enforce here Michael, therefore no law QED.
No go and watch the football, there’s a good boy — Duh!
Now here is some outrageous interference by the USA in a country’s soverign right, wouldn’t you agree my child?:
“The U.S. has also vetoed plans to swing the barrier around Ariel, the third-largest settlement, which unlike the other major blocs, is located deep in the West Bank. Plans to take the barrier in a wide loop around Maaleh Adumim — almost halfway through the West Bank — are also on hold.”
Since liberty-loving readers of this blog will all see clearly the nature of the anti-American beast,let’s all work to persuade the USA totake those two initiatives off hold so as further to secure freedom’s south-eastern flank in Europe.
Michael, since you are a knee-jerk US basher, you can join us on this one, even though it’s a pro-liberty and freedom position. Don’t worry, you don’t appear to have any principles to compromise anyway.
I believe you dodged this very issue last night (or maybe I just missed your response).
Did the coalition led by the US in Kosovo have UNSC authorization?
Eh?
Saddam started the war in 1991 and failed to comply with the cease fire terms after being soundly trounced. Even tghough we have absolutely no obligation to rebuild the destruction caused by the conflicts he instigated, we are doping it anyway. On top of that you add the absurd notion that the US should re-rebuild the infrastructure that terrorists and Iraqi insurgents destroyed?
[And Mike accuses Bush of being stupid]
Mike is an accomplished economist, mathematician, nautical engineer, emergency management specialist, and now — a brilliant military tactician.
Personally, I think we should have just asked him to leave politely.
Do you ever think before you write? Are you under the impression that bold face fonts make your bs more believable?
So you are now telling us that just weeks before the invasion, Saddam and Bush were running side deals together to smuggle oil out of Iraq? Saddam and Bush were really buddies and business partners?
It is truly amazing Mike. Your claims become more and more preposterous. We can only stand back and gaze in wonder at the mountain of crap you spew!
When you were like 5 or 6 years old, did you ever get into an argument with a friend about who’s father is better?
Mike seems to be in a logical rut now for several decades at least.
Useful points, Charles — especially post #353. Don’t expect much of a rational answer from the opponent of “the Demon Cabal” (see below)
Michael, in so far as the United Nations counts for anything, the USA and the United Kingdom were authorised to impose and maintain the no-fly zones prior to the second Gulf War which, inter alia, saved the Kurds much grief and allowed them a breathingspace ( metaphorically AND literally) in which to construct a well-functioning society now bearing more fruit in contributions to the debate on the new constitution.
By the same token, Resolution 1441 quite clearly gave authorisation to bring down the tyrant and his regime. “Regime Change” in Iraq had been USA and law policy since the Clinton administration and therefore any government who said that there was no authorisation under 1441 for the Coalition invasion was, for reasons of its own perceived national interest, turning a blind eye to its meaning.
As to the Coalition having an interest in securing direct or indirect control of Middle East oil by this step, that is also a very reasonable contributory reason for the invasion.
Who would you prefer to control that oil, Michael?
Not that we care who your nominee would be, since it is clear that your preferred candidate would have to be someone who wished to be in a position to DENY such oil supplies to the USA and its friends. Observers at least as acute as your wacky but obviously well-funded, Dr. Norman D. Livergood whom you cited yesterday (see another wacky site of his at http://www.new-enlightenment.com/cabal_index.htm ) has suggested that the recent joint Sino-Russian military exercises had just such a concept in mind. That’s NEVER going to happen, Michael — even with the nutty professor Livergood rooting and tooting for them.
Spasibo Hank,
And by the way, 1441 directly incorporated the war clause from GW1 resolution, and gave Saddam an ultimatum (i.e. last chance, or ‘no more chances’, etc.).
I believe the French must have received a bad translation of 1441. Perhaps they interpreted ‘final opportunity’ as ‘just another opportunity in a long line of opportunities that will be extended to you indefinitely.’
Regarding occupation — someone please clarify — I thought the UN did authorize the US occupation???
Now we know that Michael’s mentor (and this Blog’s mentor?) is Doctor Norman D. Livergood whose seminal work on “the Demon Cabal” can be viwed at this site http://www.new-enlightenment.com/cabal_index.htm, I think we can relax. Instead of a hard-working member of the propaganda department of a cell of an active stalinist revivalist party, he is simply an inmate of Dr. Livergood’s rest home for the paranoid. Press him a little more closely and he will be telling us how jewish “Illuminati” in UFOs (with IQs equal to his own powerful brain) landed to take control of United states foreign policy and steer it towards catastrophe in Iraq as one step in their plan to control the Universe.
Take a sedative, Michael, and watch some more football.
Michael’s intellectual ammunition is supplied by the nutty professor’s own magazine “The New Enlightenment a Journal of Social and metaphysical [i.e. ghosts] Inquiry” http://www.hermes-press.com/ devoted overwhelmingly to ant-American themes; a typical offering is an article entitled : “Bush Picks Neanderthal Roberts to Head Supreme Court.
Sane men will not be surprised to learn that Doctor Livergood also published under the “Dandelion Press” books concerning the
esoteric mystical tradition [more ghosts].
Refresh that sedative prescription Michael — we don’t want you running out and then running wild.Is this site a witches’ coven by any chance — I ask in the interests of science of course.
Iraqi Soldiers Donate to Katrina Victims
Iraqi soldiers collected 1,000,000 Iraqi dinars for victims of Hurricane Katrina.
I wonder how much Michael’s and Ladybird’s freedom fighters have raised…?
Oh that’s right, they’re to busy blowing themselves up along with innocent civilains. You know, men, women and children, dogs, cats, etc.
Ladybird, could you write a post on this? .…yeah right!
UN Resolution 1441
Recalling all its previous relevant resolutions, in particular its resolutions 661 (1990) of 6 August 1990, 678 (1990) of 29 November 1990, 686 (1991) of 2 March 1991, 687 (1991) of 3 April 1991, 688 (1991) of 5 April 1991, 707 (1991) of 15 August 1991, 715 (1991) of 11 October 1991, 986 (1995) of 14 April 1995, and 1284 (1999) of 17 December 1999, and all the relevant statements of its President,
Recalling also its resolution 1382 (2001) of 29 November 2001 and its intention to implement it fully,
Recognizing the threat Iraq’s noncompliance with Council resolutions and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles poses to international peace and security,
Recalling that its resolution 678 (1990) authorized Member States to use all necessary means to uphold and implement its resolution 660 (1990) of 2 August 1990 and all relevant resolutions subsequent to Resolution 660 (1990) and to restore international peace and security in the area,
Further recalling that its resolution 687 (1991) imposed obligations on Iraq as a necessary step for achievement of its stated objective of restoring international peace and security in the area
Deploring the fact that Iraq has not provided an accurate, full, final, and complete disclosure, as required by resolution 687 (1991), of all aspects of its programmes to develop weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles with a range greater than one hundred and fifty kilometres, and of all holdings of such weapons, their components and production facilities and locations, as well as all other nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to nuclear-weapons-usable material,
Deploring further that Iraq repeatedly obstructed immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access to sites designated by the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), failed to cooperate fully and unconditionally with UNSCOM and IAEA weapons inspectors, as required by resolution 687 (1991), and ultimately ceased all cooperation with UNSCOM and the IAEA in 1998,
Deploring the absence, since December 1998, in Iraq of international monitoring, inspection, and verification, as required by relevant resolutions, of weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles, in spite of the Council’s repeated demands that Iraq provide immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access to the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC), established in resolution 1284 (1999) as the successor organization to UNSCOM, and the IAEA, and regretting the consequent prolonging of the crisis in the region and the suffering of the Iraqi people,
Deploring also that the Government of Iraq has failed to comply with its commitments pursuant to resolution 687 (1991) with regard to terrorism, pursuant to resolution 688 (1991) to end repression of its civilian population and to provide access by international humanitarian organizations to all those in need of assistance in Iraq, and pursuant to resolutions 686 (1991), 687 (1991), and 1284 (1999) to return or cooperate in accounting for Kuwaiti and third country nationals wrongfully detained by Iraq, or to return Kuwaiti property wrongfully seized by Iraq,
Recalling that in its resolution 687 (1991) the Council declared that a ceasefire would be based on acceptance by Iraq of the provisions of that resolution, including the obligations on Iraq contained therein,
Determined to ensure full and immediate compliance by Iraq without conditions or restrictions with its obligations under resolution 687 (1991) and other relevant resolutions and recalling that the resolutions of the Council constitute the governing standard of Iraqi compliance,
Recalling that the effective operation of UNMOVIC, as the successor organization to the Special Commission, and the IAEA is essential for the implementation of resolution 687 (1991) and other relevant resolutions,
Noting the letter dated 16 September 2002 from the Minister for Foreign Affairs of Iraq addressed to the Secretary General is a necessary first step toward rectifying Iraq’s continued failure to comply with relevant Council resolutions,
Noting further the letter dated 8 October 2002 from the Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC and the Director General of the IAEA to General Al-Saadi of the Government of Iraq laying out the practical arrangements, as a follow-up to their meeting in Vienna, that are prerequisites for the resumption of inspections in Iraq by UNMOVIC and the IAEA, and expressing the gravest concern at the continued failure by the Government of Iraq to provide confirmation of the arrangements as laid out in that letter,
Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Iraq, Kuwait, and the neighbouring States,
Commending the Secretary General and members of the League of Arab States and its Secretary General for their efforts in this regard,
Determined to secure full compliance with its decisions,
Acting under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations,
1. Decides that Iraq has been and remains in material breach of its obligations under relevant resolutions, including resolution 687 (1991), in particular through Iraq’s failure to cooperate with United Nations inspectors and the IAEA, and to complete the actions required under paragraphs 8 to 13 of resolution 687 (1991);
2. Decides, while acknowledging paragraph 1 above, to afford Iraq, by this resolution, a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations under relevant resolutions of the Council; and accordingly decides to set up an enhanced inspection regime with the aim of bringing to full and verified completion the disarmament process established by resolution 687 (1991) and subsequent resolutions of the Council;
3. Decides that, in order to begin to comply with its disarmament obligations, in addition to submitting the required biannual declarations, the Government of Iraq shall provide to UNMOVIC, the IAEA, and the Council, not later than 30 days from the date of this resolution, a currently accurate, full, and complete declaration of all aspects of its programmes to develop chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, and other delivery systems such as unmanned aerial vehicles and dispersal systems designed for use on aircraft, including any holdings and precise locations of such weapons, components, sub-components, stocks of agents, and related material and equipment, the locations and work of its research, development and production facilities, as well as all other chemical, biological, and nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to weapon production or material;
4. Decides that false statements or omissions in the declarations submitted by Iraq pursuant to this resolution and failure by Iraq at any time to comply with, and cooperate fully in the implementation of, this resolution shall constitute a further material breach of Iraq’s obligations and will be reported to the Council for assessment in accordance with paragraphs 11 and or 12 below;
5. Decides that Iraq shall provide UNMOVIC and the IAEA immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to any and all, including underground, areas, facilities, buildings, equipment, records, and means of transport which they wish to inspect, as well as immediate, unimpeded, unrestricted, and private access to all officials and other persons whom UNMOVIC or the IAEA wish to interview in the mode or location of UNMOVIC’s or the IAEA’s choice pursuant to any aspect of their mandates; further decides that UNMOVIC and the IAEA may at their discretion conduct interviews inside or outside of Iraq, may facilitate the travel of those interviewed and family members outside of Iraq, and that, at the sole discretion of UNMOVIC and the IAEA, such interviews may occur without the presence of observers from the Iraqi government; and instructs UNMOVIC and requests the IAEA to resume inspections no later than 45 days following adoption of this resolution and to update the Council 60 days thereafter;
6. Endorses the 8 October 2002 letter from the Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC and the Director General of the IAEA to General Al-Saadi of the Government of Iraq, which is annexed hereto, and decides that the contents of the letter shall be binding upon Iraq;
7. Decides further that, in view of the prolonged interruption by Iraq of the presence of UNMOVIC and the IAEA and in order for them to accomplish the tasks set forth in this resolution and all previous relevant resolutions and notwithstanding prior understandings, the Council hereby establishes the following revised or additional authorities, which shall be binding upon Iraq , to facilitate their work in Iraq:
– UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall determine the composition of their inspection teams and ensure that these teams are composed of the most qualified and experienced experts available;
– All UNMOVIC and IAEA personnel shall enjoy the privileges and immunities, corresponding to those of experts on mission, provided in the Convention on Privileges and Immunities of the United Nations and the Agreement on the Privileges and Immunities of the IAEA ;
– UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have unrestricted rights of entry into and out of Iraq, the right to free, unrestricted, and immediate movement to and from inspection sites, and the right to inspect any sites and buildings, including immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to Presidential Sites equal to that at other sites, notwithstanding the provisions of resolution 1154 (1998);
– UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the right to be provided by Iraq the names of all personnel currently and formerly associated with Iraq’s chemical, biological, nuclear, and ballistic missile programmes and the associated research, development, and production facilities;
– Security of UNMOVIC and IAEA facilities shall be ensured by sufficient UN security guards;
– UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the right to declare, for the purposes of freezing a site to be inspected, exclusion zones, including surrounding areas and transit corridors, in which Iraq will suspend ground and aerial movement so that nothing is changed in or taken out of a site being inspected;
– UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the free and unrestricted use and landing of fixed– and rotary-winged aircraft, including manned and unmanned reconnaissance vehicles;
– UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the right at their sole discretion verifiably to remove, destroy, or render harmless all prohibited weapons, subsystems, components, records, materials, and other related items, and the right to impound or close any facilities or equipment for the production thereof; and
– UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the right to free import and use of equipment or materials for inspections and to seize and export any equipment, materials, or documents taken during inspections, without search of UNMOVIC or IAEA personnel or official or personal baggage;
8. Decides further that Iraq shall not take or threaten hostile acts directed against any representative or personnel of the United Nations or the IAEA or of any Member State taking action to uphold any Council resolution;
9. Requests the Secretary General immediately to notify Iraq of this resolution, which is binding on Iraq; demands that Iraq confirm within seven days of that notification its intention to comply fully with this resolution; and demands further that Iraq cooperate immediately, unconditionally, and actively with UNMOVIC and the IAEA;
10. Requests all Member States to give full support to UNMOVIC and the IAEA in the discharge of their mandates, including by providing any information related to prohibited programmes or other aspects of their mandates, including on Iraqi attempts since 1998 to acquire prohibited items, and by recommending sites to be inspected, persons to be interviewed, conditions of such interviews, and data to be collected, the results of which shall be reported to the Council by UNMOVIC and the IAEA;
11. Directs the Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC and the Director General of the IAEA to report immediately to the Council any interference by Iraq with inspection activities, as well as any failure by Iraq to comply with its disarmament obligations, including its obligations regarding inspections under this resolution;
12. Decides to convene immediately upon receipt of a report in accordance with paragraphs 4 or 11 above, in order to consider the situation and the need for full compliance with all of the relevant Council resolutions in order to secure international peace and security;
13. Recalls, in that context, that the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations;
14. Decides to remain seized of the matter.
of course you also have to read these as well…
resolutions 661 (1990) of 6 August 1990, 678 (1990) of 29 November 1990, 686 (1991) of 2 March 1991, 687 (1991) of 3 April 1991, 688 (1991) of 5 April 1991, 707 (1991) of 15 August 1991, 715 (1991) of 11 October 1991, 986 (1995) of 14 April 1995, and 1284 (1999) of 17 December 1999, and all the relevant statements.
Oh, but there;s more!!!!
Hell, just click on this link…There are so many resolutions, it’s to many to post!
Click Here!
Also, could you write a post on the effectivness on the United Nations pertaining to Iraq.
Thanks! ;-)
Its always a refreshing read…
Etc., etc.
It was a powerfully worded ultimatum that many key UNSC members balked (as usual) at enforcing.
Formidable posts Jeff and especially telling the news about the donations by the Iraqi soldiers to the victims of Hurricane Katrina. All is information which the inmates of the Dr. Norman D. Livergood Rest Home for Paranoiacs do not want to see in general circulation. The more I read of michael and ladybird’s posts, the more the resemblance to the mindset of the type of people who believe in little green men in flying saucers. There is the same inability to reason with any evidence which contradicts their beliefs — and Ladybird says she wants to attract intellectuals to this site! Wee, she has succeeded; but we all oppose her absurd anti-American fantasies. Is she REALLY Iraqi? I have strong doubts. Does it matter? Not really.
Member States to use all necessary means to uphold and implement its resolution 660
For some reason some people don’t understand what this means…
I guess they think it means a pillow fight or something.
I’m sure she is, but she would better be descriped as an “Armchair Iraqi”.
As I’ve said before, if you want a real Iraqi view, then go and visit these “Real” Iraqi sites.
* Hammorabi
* Iraq The Model
* Iraqi4ever
* Messopotamian
I consider these “Real” Iraqis true intellectuals.
The thoughts of chairman Livergood are respected worlwide;
Yeni Amerikan-Ingiliz Petrol Emperyalizmi-Norman D.Livergood
Norman D.Livergood (Çeviri:Memed Varol). Amerikan ve İngiliz yönetici çevreleri
birkaç yüzyıldır askeri emperyalist … Başkan Bush Amerikan ordusunun Afganistanda
varlığını sürdüreceğini söylüyor. Bu, Birleşmiş Milletler güçleri bir …
http://www.uzaklar.net/html/yeni_ amerikan-ingiliz_petrol_e.html
Jeff, I would like to get access to those sites. However, they are presently blocked. I am living temporarily in a country which, how shall I put it, adopts a rather narrow interpretation of the phrase “freedom of speech”. There is probably work here for Michael.
Well that sux… Sorry to hear(see) that.
So Jeff, you basically are saying you like sites that kiss your ass and sign up to the pro-Bush We had to liberate EYERACK drivel. The blogs you listed are known for sucking up to Americans because HELLO they get donations from those Americans. Why have PAYPAL on there?
You are such a naive lot. Hahaha…my god. The dustbin of history awaits you lot. So easily swindled.
Madame Cleo is callin Jeff, she wants her brain back.
Chinese, anyone?
Wow… 371 comments on one thread. That’s got to be some kind of record. But… I feel that… something is… lacking… what could it be… it’s must be… yes… it’s motivation. I’m feeling a distinct lack of motivation to read all the rest. Maybe someday.
BTW… congrats to LadyBird for getting so many goats with just one picture. Good job!
Has nothing to do with pro-bush dick weed,…I’m not a bush fan. Would it make you feel better if I were a Abu Zarqawi fan like you?
Recalling that its resolution 678 (1990) authorized Member States to use all necessary means to uphold and implement its resolution 660 (1990) of 2 August 1990 and all relevant resolutions subsequent to Resolution 660 (1990) and to restore international peace and security in the area.…Source Site: The United Nations
Yep, The UN is a bunch of Bush loving idiots…sorry, you got me on that one!
That’s the secret to a great bolg, dead babies, I’ll have to start doing it on mine. I’ll get right on it and report back.
So what you’re saying is that I shouldn’t believe Iraqis or arabs because they are full of shit? Because they are scum and shouldn’t be taken seriously, they’re just trying to screw everyone…?
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are there any facts/details about this incident or is it all heresay and rumour. Let’s be honest, Arab’s aren’t reknowned for their honesty , most seem to revel in fantastical conspiracy theories , i find it hard to believe that any coalition soldier would deliberately shoot a pregnant woman for no reason, and lets not forget that the ‘insurgency’ has no such qualms about civilian casualties.
Jeff,
Thanx for showing us that when the common American is faced with issues he/she cannot debate, he/she will resort to foul language. Or launch an illegal war which will come back and smack him good.
How uncouth.
And Jeff, leaving you to ramble and whine is the best thing ever because you sure put your racist foot in it buddy.
Jeff said: So what you’re saying is that I shouldn’t believe Iraqis or arabs because they are full of shit? Because they are scum and shouldn’t be taken seriously, they’re just trying to screw everyone…?
Nice choice of words Jeff. First off, I never said anything of the sort. That’s your extrapolation and conjecture.
But in what you said you reveal quite a bit.
You asked everyone if this was an anti-American website. Now, I ask you, are you a racist bigot who resorts to cussing at people because they won’t budge and won’t be intimidated by you?
Dude, seriously, bring it on.
And by the way, Zarqawi is Jordanian. Or so the story goes. I don’t care about him. I care for the good of the Iraqi people. Zarqawi is filth.
But hey, cuss me out some more. You just hurtin yourself.
Truth (?),
Jeff was pointing out your bigotry and hypocricy. Perhaps his sarcasm was too thick? It seemed obvious enough to me.
His point, I think, was that the blogs he mentioned are authored by Iraqis on the ground in Iraq. They live every day with the death, destruction, and hardship brought by not only the Americans for 3 weeks in 2003, but for the last 24 months by the ‘freedom fighters’.
They certainly have the right to an opinion. They all seem to be well educated professionals. Yet you insult them. You are insulting your brother Iraqis (if you are Iraqi?!?) because you disagree with their “drivel.”
Jeff was just pointing that out to you.
Exactly.
Those bloggers do not live in Iraq.
Un point et c’est tout.
If standing up to Iraqi liars, who I know to be liars because 1) I am Iraqi and 2) I know what is happening on the ground as only an Iraqi could and you do not.
You take what they say as gospel and run with it. And you celebrate their existence. How do you know what they say is true?
You don’t, but it conforms to what you want to believe IS true. If someone tells you what they are saying is wrong you jump them. Why? Have you stopped to consider that maybe they are lying?
Well-educated professionals? Prove it.
My brother Iraqis do not advocate hate. These sites do. If you were Iraqi, you would read the sectarian tension they are fuelling. One of them even advocates genocide of an entire group.
And y’all swallow it hook, line and sinker.
One blog speaks of the attack on Tal Afar but makes no mention whatsoever of the civilian population, the strife they face, and the fact that Iraqi human rights groups have said a humanitarian tragedy is unfolding in that city.
The blog does not mention that the city is comprised mostly of Turkomen and Arab Sunnis and that every neighborhood that is “freed” of terrorist control is quickly taken over by Kurdish security forces.
The Turkomen have been complaining since May 2003 of ethnic cleansing by the Kurds. Why no mention of this on these righteous Iraqi blogs?
The situation in Tal Afar is so dire that Turkey sent half a dozen trucks full of foods and medical supplies to the area to help citizens there.
Again, why no mention of this in the blog?
Because the blog is trying to deceive you to believe the entire city is a terrorist stronghold, to divert any attention that may be expressed to the civilian toll and to enforce the idea that US and Iraqi security forces ONLY killed Arab terrorists.
But press agencies and even the US military contradicted such claims. So, I stand up to this disinformation and telling of half a story.
Iraqi hospitals reported the decimation of entire families from the aerial bombardment of the city. Why no mention of that?
Today the Iraqi forces said that “terrorists” killed 60 civilians, an obvious attempt to justify the killing of civilians. The US military refused to confirm the report.
I stand up to all of that and more. You can’t tell those glorious Iraqis are lying. You don’t know the difference.
But we Iraqis do.
Why didn’t Jeff mention Riverbend? Does she also not have a right to blog? No, apparently not, because her views clash with Jeff’s battered conscience which can’t handle the truth.
How about all the other Iraqi blogs which berate the invasion and occupation of Iraq. He lists 4 bloggers, all of them pro-occupation, pro-US military, and 3 of 4 of them receiving paypal donations.
There are some 161 known Iraqi blogs. Why have they all been ignored? Why the selectivity? Is such willful selectivity not an act of disinformation? Or propaganda?
Why do the blogs Jeff mentioned not mention that when the Iraqi defense minister threatened towns throughout Iraq two days ago, he focused on areas with pre-dominant Sunni populations, which have 90% registered to vote Oct.15 and are likely to strike the referendum down?
Sunnis are being driven out of their homes in all the provinces where they are the majority. How can they vote when they reside in tent cities and their homes are destroyed?
Hmmm, why is none of that mentioned? I sit because it threatens the pretty, rosy image of Iraq? Or it threatens the validity and reliability of these blogs?
That is what I am here to bring up and strike down.
And for that you call me a bigot. Typical. Call me an islamo-fascist too, why don’t you.
Or be like Jeff and cuss me out.
I stand by what I said. Now and forever.
And still does not explain Jeff’s obvious rabid, uncouth mouth.
Truth (?),
You were the one denigrating Iraqis in previous post, and Jeff just through a spotlight on it by using deliberate hyperbole. You just didn’t get it.
One thing I notice about a number of the blogs he mentioned is that they all seem to have a hopeful and positive outlook for Iraq — even though they acknowledge the current suffering.
I have noticed that sometimes the hammorabi fellow has used some angry rhetoric against the ‘cockroaches’ as he calls them. He is referring of course to the terrorists who are slaughtering innocents, disrupting the rebuilding, and standing in the way of the establishing democracy.
If your freedom fighters keep escalating things, then don’t be surprised if people get very pissed off and give you a taste of your own medicine.
The sunnis will no longer dominate a free iraq. Therefore they are opposing a free iraq. They don’t want to lose control over strategic economic resources. These are obvious facts. The question is — what are you going to do?
You will lose a conflict of continued escalation. And MANY people will die.
Or you could participate in the democratic system that is emerging and pursue your rights under the rule of law. I know its a strange concept for many in the ME — but its proven that it works. Look at the rest of the civilized world.
How do you know that the mother was not assisting some Islamist?
How do you know that she was not making a suicide vest?
How do you know that she was not caught in the cross-fire against Islamist children killers?
22,000 Iraqi civilians targeted and killed by Islamists. 6,000 killed by Americans in crossfire.
The chances that she was killed by the Islamists is much higher.
Exactly.
Really, that’s a pretty bold statement…You seem to be doing a pretty good job yourself.
I’ll tell you what “truth”, do me a favor…Go here and become educated. Click Here
Watch videos until you turn blue in the face for all I care or just do a quick search for “Iraq” and watch some of your fellow Iraqis spread hate like there is no tomorrow. Of course, they are the ones that you support, so you may enjoy it.
The sunnis will no longer dominate a free iraq. Therefore they are opposing a free iraq.
So truth, Do you wish for Saddam to be in power? A simple yes or no will do.
Again, click here
Who’s doing the moderating? the Party secretary?
Hank Your comment is awaiting moderation.
The real problem with this blog is Michael. We are in a sense his doctors attempting by a drip-feed of facts to prevent him from lapsing into total anti-American paranoia.
On one of these threads — it does not matter which since they all serve the same purpose of demonising the USA — he argued that to call the leaders of France and Germany “deadbeats’ could be refuted by pointing to the higher export figures of germany over the USA. Apart from noting that he must drfag the USA into everything, this seems to me to be a non-sequitur. One might as convincingly argue that a reliance on exports was a weakness compared with a degree of self-sufficiency which did not make them that necessary.
And of course in this week’s Economist, in addition to learning for instance that the US may pull out 18,000 troops from Afghanistan next year and thus initiate a trend inclining to the return of benighted days for thast rescued country, we learn that while official unemployment in the States is 4.9% compared with 5.4% last year, unemployment in Germany while 10.6% last year is now a horrifying 11.6%.
These figures though are not valuable to Michael who is interested only in fact and fiction which contribute to his purpose of denigrating the USA (and secondarily free countries elsewhere).
He does not like to be confused by facts which go against the grain of his prejudices whether or not these are facts which illuminate the real conditions of working people’s lives. Why even in Ladybug’s socialist paradise, Sweden, the rate is .2% higher than the USA. Would the people rather have more exports or more jobs? Is Michael on the side of big business on this one… Quick, Michael, run to your guru, the sage of California Dr. Norman D. Livergood for the answer.
Let’s all try to keep Michael healthy: send a fact package today!
Hank Your comment is awaiting moderation.
One of Michael’s pets, Venezuela, disappoints: 123rd out of 127.
Try to avoid the facts Michael — they will only confuse you.
Typical racist arguments. Notice, people, how Charles lumps me up with “freedom frighters” because I am expressing my views. In America today, if you refuse what you are being force fed by the media, you are lumped with traitors and other contrived enemies.
Welcome to Joseph McCarthy.
Hyperbole? Jeff only knows how to cuss, not engage in a meaningful argument.
Whether Sunnis come to power or not is immaterial. What is material, and which you both continue to ignore much to your own harm in the course of this debate, is that many Sunnis are being intimidated not to vote.
Let us imagine these people were Jews. Would you guys stand for it? No, because the media has programmed you to be angry every time a Jew is persecuted.
If it was the Christians that this was happening to in Iraq, you would be throwing a fit.
The issue is that millions of Iraqis are being removed from the democratic process that Charles is talking about.
Once again, I am standing up to that, but Charles can’t handle it. He has to group me with some form of montrosity.
Charles pretends to care about Iraq and asks me what I want to do. I want to stand for Justice, Charles. I want to speak out against the injustices perpetrated against ALL iraqis, not a select group like some of those aforementioned bloggers.
I am expressing my rights under the rule of law. Or do you believe that I should be stripped of the rights to protest, to speak out, to express myself, to hold government accountable? Answer that one. You too, Jeff. You are big on questions.
But when I protest and I raise an issue, Charles and Jeff begin to break down and start calling me names and hurl accusations.
Why? Is it because I am not allowed to protest unless what I have to say agrees with your self-serving interests?
You speak of democracy, but you want democracy for some and not others. And here I am, exercising my democratic right to protest. To raise issues. But this bothers y’all. And so you turn to talking about something else, like Saddam. What does that have to do with what I said: The sunnis are being targeted in Iraq, they are being intimidated and pushed to not vote — their democratic right. Saddam is ancient history.
Once again, Charles, you divert attention from the real issue about Hammorabi. I raised the point that this blogger does not tell the whole story. Not even half of it. I pointed again and again to his constant overlooking of the plight of civilians in Tal Afar. And that in itself is disinformation.
So what do you come back with? Cockroaches as name calling. No connection. I am speaking of disinformation, you are speaking of labels.
Typical. Switch and bait.
But am always going to be here to put both of you back in your respective places. Because at the end, you will walk away from Iraq, you won’t give a hoot and we will all be left to pick up the pieces.
Now to answer Jeff’s tiring question about Saddam. It has to be put into context, so had you asked me that question three years ago — do I want Saddam to be in power? The answer would have been no. And almost every Iraqi I know would have answered no.
But to remove a dictator in such a way is a slap in the face of history. Iraq is a regional power player…removing a leader and creating an obvious vacuum is to invite chaos into the area.
That is what we are seeing now. Iran rules Iraq. Not the Iraqis, not the US. Saddam’s policies were celebrated by the Reagan administration during the 1980s because he was seen as a balance and deterrent to Iran.
Many fault Bush Sr. with not invading Iraq in 1991. But history will show that he did the prudent thing. In March 1991, tens of thousands of Iranian agents, saboteurs, and Khoemini Guard had entered the south of Iraq in the wake of a retreating and defeated Iraqi army.
Imagine the US military entering that foray. Who would they fight? They would have had to end up fighting the Iranians to keep southern Iraq intact.
I will tell you about a US military intelligence officer in northern Iraq who was in charge of persuading the Sunnis to participate in the January elections. I won’t reveal his name, because of his security and mine. But he was one of the most intelligent US military personnel I have ever met.
He told me that he was sure if the Sunnis did not participate in the elections, Iranian influence in Iraq would rise geometrically. He tried to use that argument with the Sunni leaders, but they wouldn’t budge. A decision they would come to regret later.
He also told me that several US soldiers were charged with hunting down and killing/apprehending Iranian agents, not Iraqis.
This is what the US is facing in Iraq right now. A veritable mess with Turkish, Saudi and Iranian agents running around. The Saudis want to ensure that the Shia don’t get too much power. The Turks want to ensure the Kurds do not get too much power. And the Iranians want all the power.
In the middle of all of that, Iraqis are dying by the dozens every single day. Agents from aforementioned countries are slowly eradicating Iraqi scientists, technicians, philosophers, clergymen, artists to ensure Iraq is a wasteland. Easier to control then, when the voices of protest (like mine) are silenced into fear or death.
So, if you asked me today do I wish Saddam were in power, I would say yes, because the mess we have now is far worse than the brutal dictatorship we had to endure when no one else cared about us in years past.
At the very least, Iraqis would not need to hire bodyguards to see their kids off to school.
That is perhaps the clincher for me. They can’t even go to schools without worrying about abductions, rape, bombings and the like.
In April 2003, some Iraqis, including me, were slightly optimistic that yes, maybe the Americans could do something, maybe Bush was right…maybe we would move forward and become a truly democratic society…maybe…That hope died a horrible death within a month.
And you can’t blame an occupied people for fighting their occupier. Bush even said that directly in a White House press conference nearly two years ago.
The invasion/occupation of Iraq was bungled even before the get-go. Several Iraqis, including myself, argued that the US plan did not include adequate planning for the post-invasion period. Not enough resources were put in place. Not enough contingency. Not nearly enough money. We were told that Iraqi oil would pay for everything. It has so far paid for nothing. And you can’t blame the Iraqis for bombing the pipelines. They believe their oil has been usurped just like when the British occupied Iraq.
Why was planning so bad? Because American planners, either naively or most stupidly followed the advice of the so-called exile community. People like Chalabi and Allawi, and the iranian SCIRI promised they could deliver Iraq. They promised that they had the support of the Iraqi people.
That they could govern Iraq.
None of it was true. The Americans were duped by an Iraqi group of swindlers who did not care at all that thousands of Iraqis and Americans had died. They only wanted power. And they all played into Iran’s hands.
This same group of swindlers is today evident in some of these bloggers who you celebrate. It’s the same ballgame all over again. You learned nothing.
The US became so entrenched in its own bungling in Iraq that it practically handed the country over to the religious fanatics and militants without realising it.
So desperate is the US now, that it has changed its talk. Well, Iraq will be a democracy but not the way we understand democracy.
Excuse me? There is only one type of democracy. Freedom is its heart. Liberty its soul.
Yes, it won’t be the way you understand democracy because it will be an Iranian-styled theocracy.
Last Friday, a sheikh at a mosque near my uncle’s house was preaching against listening to music!!! Can you believe this? Iraq’s national heritage is enriched by its musical contributions to mankind. There are tens of thousands of Iraqi musicians around the world. And now we are told it is Haram — sacrilegous.
Is this the Iraq you two people are advocating? This is the Mission accomplished? This is the stuff you want to stifle me from bringing up?
Two days after that sermon, a Christian girl near my house in Mosul was found among the trash with her throat slit. Her crime? She taught piano lessons. Piano lessons!
I used to see her at the market down the road. She was only 28.
Her blood is on your hands, both of you, for standing behind this war and for trying to shut the rest of us up who are trying to tell you the folly of your ways.
Were either of you aware of these facts? No? Why? Oh, wait, maybe its because you should take into consideration that Iraqis may know more about their own country and their own neighbors.
So, please, drop the ethnocentric, racist smuggness and the efforts to educate me about my own country.
I am aware of the horrors of Saddam. You never lived it. I did and the rest of the people here some did too.
Now, we have a new horror.
I will always be here, guys. Believe me. Just to put you back into your place.
Truth– Well said.
Truth,
Well said. I agree with much of what you write.
Our positions are not as far apart as you may think.
The mass of US Citizenry agrees with the majority of what you say. We, who continually support the best case scenario agree that there have been more than a few bungles. Indeed, I can imagine that if someone parked a tank in my backyard for 2 1/2 years would be well ready for it to be moved.
Our problem is, that we perceive resistance to all the good things we had hoped for the Iraqis. Getting the Sunni population to participate in the first election should have been #1 priority. Indeed, I thought there were good signs coming from the North (Mosul)if not the West just prior. However, the Sunnis now realize their mistake and, I hope this next election will show a major change in the Demographics of the voters. By “buying in” to the election process, they will, in effect implement the best of what we had hoped. You are right. I have spoken to friends in Mosul and in Suliemania and they have informed me that many who are fomenting troubles now are Turkish and Iranian agents. THAT is a bad omen. If those two countries are joining forces w/ Syria in efforts to continue to destabilize Iraq we have a very long row to hoe.
What we have is a wicked circle. Iraqi oil would indeed pay the bill for the improvements that should have been completed months if not years ago, however that cash is not flowing because the same people who complain the improvements have not happened are bombing the pipeline. Oil is not sold, so improvements are not paid for. Improvements are not made, so the pipelines get bombed. How do we stop this cycle? I admit I don’t really know that answer. Michael would say, “The US must leave first.” Personally, I disagree. I am interested in your suggestions. From your post, you are relatively rational and well-spoken. I would welcome your further commentary, even if it is not exactly what I would want to hear.
Freedom of speech is for all, even if they are not saying what you agree with.
I don’t think the government tried to stop participation. It was the sunni clerics and extremists who made participation almost impossible. Potential violence was not the only thing that stopped the Sunnis because the Shia turned out in large numbers even though the threat to them was mortal as well.
Here we see the value of pushing for elections back in January. Continued progress in Iraq, supported by US and coalition, is bearing fruit. Although the fruit may be worm ridden and spotty — the alternative would be a parched wasteland.
Let’s just imagine for a moment that the sunni’s mobilize for referendum and succeed in stopping it. Is that so bad? The sunni’s have then been drawn into the process legitimately. The assembly gets scrapped, new elections are held (in which sunnis participate), and the new assembly is more representative of the country. New elections could also weaken a number of the religious lists through a protest vote. I think that a lot of people have been turned off by the performance of religious hardliners and their militias in shia areas. Not that they would lose outright, but their base would be eroded.
So in the end, after all of the slaughter caused by the ‘freedom fighters’ to thwart a democratic Iraq, the goal may (???) be achieved.
None of this would have been possible if not for the plodding stubborness of the US/coalition and Iraqi governments, and the people of Iraq who have risked everything to secure their freedom.
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This war On Iraq had to be Done, WMD is not a Issue for me because i been keeping track in what this so called leader was doing ( SO DAM INSANE) , Killing his own people and so on. when the nations of the world forced his troops out of a contry they invaded it was a no Brainer, he failed to sighn a surender. Lets not forget his troops were still trying to shoot down US jets flying the NO FLY ZONE. This alone gave the the US rights to attack if they wanted too.
So the people who say this WAR is wrong should think before saying it. here are a few remarks people should think before they speak.
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Michael
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All this death and destruction just to satisfy the American’s greed for oil.
WHAT OIL IF THIS WAS THE CASE WE WOULD NOT HAVE HIGH OIL PRICES.AND WE WOULD BE PAYING FAR LESS. NOW
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We also know that Iraq, for what it called security reasons, forcibly relocated–within Iraqi Kurdistan–Kurds living in certain areas, much as Israel has done with the Palestinians and the U.S. did in Vietnam.
WHAT IS THIS? ISRAEL , PALESTINIANS, WHEN HAS ISREAL USED GAS ON THEM? STOP AND THINK BEFORE TYPEING THIS CRAP.
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DaKruser
1– The terrorists are brought to Iraq by the Americans.
2– One of the reasons of the war was to free the Iraqis [as Bush claimed] but I don’t see it, I see the Americans are busy killing innocent Iraqis.
3– All the promises by bush and his cronies were only lies, until now we see the Americans are busy stealing Iraq and the resources.
4– And this is very important. I think you agree with me that terrorists are savages criminals…right??? So by conclusion then you and your soldiers and your government are much better than that…right??? And the Americans must set a better example…but I don’t see it, I see terrorists and American troops are two faces for one coin..
WHATS THIS? OUR TROOPS KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE WHAT A BUNCH OF BULL, IF YOU HAVE AN AK47 OR RPG YOUR NOT INNOCENT, IF YOUR A KID AND YOUR GOING TO PICK UP A WEAPON FOR YOUR SO CALLED FREADOM FIGHTERS WHO ARE TELLING YOU TO PICK IT UP AND BRING IT TO THEM, BY DOING IT YOU JOINED THERE RANKS. AND BY THE WAY WHO LETS THERE KID OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIRE FIGHT?
WATCH THE REPORTS TERRORISTS ARE KILLING IRAQIS AND THERE COMING IN TO IRAQ TO KILL WOMEN,KIDS, YOU NAME IT THERE DOING IT. STOP , THINK, BEFORE YOU RIGHT THIS CRAP.
PEACE OUT
Michael, if oil is so important to the Americans, why do they continue to anger the Arabs who sit on top of so much of it by supporting Israel?
Ladybird is not an Iraqi. This is a government propaganda site.
Mike “WHAT OIL IF THIS WAS THE CASE WE WOULD NOT HAVE HIGH OIL PRICES.AND WE WOULD BE PAYING FAR LESS. NOW.”
That’s obviously because the illegal invasion hasn’t exactly gone to plan. Iraq’s oil output has been routinely sabotaged and amounts to less now than during the vindictive sanction days.
Hank “Michael, if oil is so important to the Americans, why do they continue to anger the Arabs who sit on top of so much of it by supporting Israel?”
I don’t believe the American support for the racist, apartheid state of Israel has much affect on the oil price. One of the intended outcomes of the illegal war, had it been successful was to re-open an oil pipeline from Iraq to Haifa.
Hank
Sorry to disappoint you, you showed me how disparate you are, But I am from an Iraqi Father and Mother, Grandfather and grandmother and all of them are born and raised in Iraq inculding me.
Why don’t you ask other Iraqi Bloogers ??
If this is a government propaganda as you said then it will maintained frequently which I don’t have the time to do.
P.S
I am at work now, don’t have the time for a debate