—-Update—
The earlier report said that British military negotiated the release of the two British prisoners peacefully but now they admit of smashing the jail wall.
The British Defence Ministry has admitted troops used an armoured vehicle to smash down a prison wall in a bid to free two undercover soldiers in southern Iraq overnight.
source here
Report from Iraqi police says that 150 Iraqi prisoners also freed as a consequences of smashing the jail wall. the photo above is the civil car they used to travel around Basra, the car was packed with explosives and they opened fire on the police. report from Basra says that the explosives were ready to be implemented near “Imam Ali steps” Shite mosque in Basra.
—End Update—
More confirmation to my conspiracy theory below
Monday’s clashes stemmed from the arrest by Iraqi police on Sunday of two British soldiers, whom Iraqi police accused of planting bombs. Iraqi officials described the two as undercover soldiers dressed in civilian clothes and said a shooting incident broke out when police stopped their civilian vehicle.
Source here
I hope people now realize who is behind the bombings in Iraq.
TO JEFF :
YOU YOU SAY THAT YOU “ARE AN ADVISOR TO JESUS AN DYOU ADVISE HIM TO NUKE AMERICA”…
WELL O.K. THEN I AM AN ADVISOR AND I ADVISE THE NEW NEW WORLD ORDER AND LIBERATORS ( CHINA, PAKISTAN, FRANCE, NORTH KOREA, IRAN AND INDIA ) TO NUKE THE UNITED STATES INTO OBLIVION AND TO CLEAN THE WORLD OF MURDEROUS EVIL AMERICANS. YOU THINK ONLY AMERICA HAS NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
WELL JEFF. REALITY CHECK;;; THE WORLD IS REALDY FOR AMERICAN AGGRESSION AND YOU NUKE ONE COUNTRY AND A HUNDRED COUNTRY WILL NUKE AMERICA TO BOTTOM PITS OF HELL.
TO: Charles, jeff & cmar( inbred zombies)
your arguments in this forum have no logic or reasoning. Your statements and opinions are only based on hate and ignorance.
WHY DONT YOU 3(CHARLES, JEFF & CMAR) TOGETHER WITH YOUR GOVERNMENTS STICK TO WHAT YOU KNOW BEST. THAT IS TO ATTCK AND KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE AND TO PLANT BOMBS IN IRAQ AND CAUSE FURTHER MURDER AND SPILL BLOOD. IT IS THE ONLY THING YOU LOT AR EGOOD AT. PLANTING BOMBS IN IRAQ AND KILLING PEOPLE
This is the first time i have paticipated in a forum like this. This forum/blog is very interesting. Not many in greece.
I would like to point out that there are many people in greece takin about the the coalition forces planting bombs in iraq and with the u.k soldiers getting caught red handed in iraq trying to plant bombs in disguise the other day i am shocked. Its true what they say.…
THERE IS NO SMOKE WITH OUT FIRE…
I dont want to believe this but it is hard to ignore facts. i did not want to believe the iraqi prisoner abuse scandel by the americans but later evidence emerged to suggest that iraqi prisoners were being killed and abused by the americans. I am certain that evidence will emerge that planting of bombs by the coaltion ESPECIALLY U.S forces was a common practice. Having read the practices of the CIA in south america one has to wonder.
Keep this forum/blogg running. dimitri
Hey Gomez, sounds like great fun! :-) Let’s get started!
LOL!!!
WELL JEFF:
YOU START IT AND WE WILL FINISH IT.
Speaking of blowing things up…
Click Here!
If only I had such access… :-(
and by the way, who is “we”…? You and the French? LOL!! The rest of the countries you listed, except Iran and North Korea rely to much on the US as do we need them as well. You’re really showing your age and ignorance.
jeff u thick monkey.
i cant believe you rlow inteligence i worldly matters.
all th ecountries i mention will nuke you given the chaance. when i mention statemnet sthey are true. i live in the united kingdom.unlik emaerica which is divided by race by you religious leaders, th eunited kingdom is more multi culturism. i have friends from all these nationalities. french , pakistani, syrians, koreans and french. ( dont know what you have against french. they are better people thjat you americans. they have culture, class, beauty and humanity, unlike ur americans). i speak with all these people. the pakistanis do not rely on u. dont believe what you see at government levels as that is all orchestrated. go by what you know at grass root levels. they pakistanis hate you r government and the bush neo facist leasders and the american armed forces. belive me they will nuke you. the french grass root people hate american two face policies. the syrians willnuke u and the koreans hate u, whether theyu belong to thje south or the north. i know wat i am on about. i have these people of different countries as friends. dont get to cocky. i bet u havnt even seen out side alabhama, texas o rsum other hilibili american inbred state. look up and you will see the world is a big place. and time shave changed. so your statemnts are incorrect. i know that these countries do not rely on america. the puppet governments you have installed are just that. they tellyou whatu americans wana hear. th epeople at grass root slevels hate ur kind. given the chance the y will nuke america into oblivion and into inbred white christain fundamentaslist hell and once there u can tell jesus wat eva u want. still up 4 it…
Yep :-)
mmmm…We have all religions here in America Gomez…We have all races here Gomez…
One question for you Gomez…Why are millions and millions of all races trying to get in here(america) every year (legally and illegally) and no one is leaving? Right now there are over 10 million illegals in my country. 10 million dipshit. None them are leaving and we aren’t kicking them out. Unlike Britian and the rest of Europe.
and as far as having friends around the world, I have plenty and they don’t share your racist views against americans. As a matter of fact, I’ll be in Hungry next month and my friends there love America and Americans. Of course they all have a little better understanding due to being under Soviet rule for so many years and having nothing.
Look in the mirror Gomez. You’re a 100% racist.
Apologise? For what? Let’s have your apology for brazen, reactionary, anti-American propaganda. What did you get up to in Paris anyway?
Gomez, keep working on your English — it will come in useful after we have thrown you out of the country.
What we need to focus on is why Islam generates inter-communal murder whereever it spreads.Any ideas?
Darren, You write: “why is their beloved bush and the current neo facist christian fundamentalists not doing any thing about north korea. north korea has nuclear weapons and it is not a democracy BLAH BLAH BLAH”
Last week the Six Party Talks in Beijing arrived at an agreement whereby North Korea agreed tp give up its entire nuclear programme (entire). Of course north korea reneged on their agreement the following day, but…you get my point.
You might like to note that the USA was a party to the Beijing talks.
Incidentally, if north korea wants to play hard-ball — Japan will get nuclear weapons. China will not like that. What will they say to the north korean tyrant?
There’s more than one way to skin a cat.
Now go and catch up with your reading.
“LONDON, Sept 23 (Reuters) — The widow of one of the suicide bombers who killed 52 people in attacks on London’s transport system on July 7 said on Friday radical British mosques had “poisoned” her peace-loving husband’s mind.…” http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L23227713.htm
I wonder where you could find on the Internet such poisoners speaking out.…?
As good a place as any to start our investigation of the Islamic penchant for inter-communal murder (and intra-communal murder for that matter) is “Left-wing Monsters: Arafat
By David Meir-Levi
God-father of modern terror. Killer of Jews. Destroyer of his own people.” http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19590
Some extracts to whet the appetite of the Ladymichaelists:
“…Arafat was a protégé of the Communist bloc and succeeded in making his cause a cause of the international left that survived the collapse of the Communist system…”
” …Arafat resuscitated Jew-hatred and made it the official policy of the UN when the Arab bloc leveraged the passage of a UN resolution equating Zionism with racism in 1975. By relentlessly portraying Israel as evil, Arafat revived the heinous stereotype of the malignant Jew to international respectability, eclipsing the effects of the horror of Nazism and proving correct Josef Goebbels’ lesson to Hitler that if you repeat the same lie often enough, people will believe it.…”
Incidentally we heard that last “maxim” quoted by Michael in his Dr. Norman D. Liversausage phase; although, typically, he misascribed it to Goering.
“…Arafat is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Palestinians and 95,000 Lebanese Arabs who were killed by his minions during his twelve-year reign of terror in that country. Nearly 500,000 Lebanese were made homeless in the same period…”
Ah, what a model for the Ladymichaelists!
“„,billions [YES,FOLKS, BILLIONS] of dollars in international aid flowed into the PA, from the EU, the US, [YES,FOLKS, THE US] and Arab countries. Yet the Palestinian people saw almost nothing of this bounty. Rather than using that aid to build his state, with schools, hospitals, roads, and social services, Arafat created a massive kleptocracy of cronies and loyalists who siphoned off vast fortunes to personal accounts in Switzerland and elsewhere.…”
Mrs. A. is now in PARIS spending it…how the ladies love Paris…
“…Since the PLO’s original 1964 Covenant explicitly recognized Judea, Samaria, and the eastern portion of Jerusalem, and Gaza as belonging to Jordan and Egypt, the only homeland it sought to liberate was the State of Israel. However, when Jordan and Egypt lost control of the West Bank and Gaza because of their defeat in the Six Day War, Arafat had the PLO revise the Covenant on July 17, 1968, to change its operative language and assert a claim of sovereignty over the West Bank and Gaza Strip…”
Whoops, my mistake…!
“…King Hussein declared martial law, and ordered Arafat and his men out of Jordan. Arafat responded by demanding a national unity government with himself at its head. Hussein then ordered his 55,000 soldiers and 300 tanks to advance and PLO forces in Amman, Salt, Irbid, and all Palestinian refugee camps came under siege.…”
That’s the way to deal with them.
“…By 1973, Arafat was a Soviet puppet and would remain such until the fall of Communism…”
Well the pay was OK and you got to meet aome REALLY nice people.
“…
The message was this: Stop talking about annihilating Israel and instead turn your terror war into a struggle for human rights. Then you will have the American people eating out of your hand.…”
See this Blog for an uptodate example.
“…Secret cameras filmed Arafat’s nightly orgies of homosexual cavorting with his body guards while he was a guest at the dictator Nicolae Ceausescu’s mansion. They also kept careful record of the young boys (mostly teens from Rumanian orphanages) with whom Ceausescu plied Arafat’s seemingly limitless pedophilia.…”
Same old story with these people…
Etc., etc, an informative and well-documented piece — although terribly depressing to think of the misery and ruin this vermin brought to his own and so many other people and the tragic damage he has done to people’s hope for a civilized life.
All views on this article will be given thoughtful consideration.
americans, the whit emiddle classes ar ethe biggest racist people on th eface of the planet. Americ awas founded on racism and slavery. Why do people like charles and hank ignore this fact. NO OTHER RACE ON THIS PLANET HAS TRADED IN SLAVERY. When few people banned slavery the whites in america wer in uproar. civil war started. America may have races from all over the country but they are segregated by on racial lines. BLACKS in small gheto’s. The hispanics in there own little areas, the chinese in there place and so on. Look at the latest evidence. new orleans aftermath of hurricane katrina shows how little respect the white people have of blacks . The response was to slow and look at what bush’s wife said. you will find her comments on the net. The white middle class people of america are by far the racist inward thinking backward mentality people there are. The islamists will leave america alone when america stops killing and boming there countries and when america stops killing muslims. IE, BOSNIA, IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, KOSOVO, CHECNYA, LEBANON, PALESTINE ANS SO ON. All of these muslim countries are in war as a direct result of american interference and war mogering.
i think the americans have planted sum thing in my house to prevent me and my boyfriend from takin.
why are they doing this. i have no oil !!!!!!!!
TO HANK AND HIS AMERICAN FELLOWS.
KEEP WORKING ON PLANTING BOMBS IN IRAQ TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE. MAYONE DAY IT WILL BENIFIT YOU BY YOU LOT NOT GETTING CAUGHT IN FRONT OF THE WORLD MEDIA… HAHAHAHA
Wow, you’re a complete idiot.
Here’s a little reality check for you hans…
“Slavery is in almost all countries today considered illegal, a criminal activity outlawed by UN conventions. In some states, such as Niger, Myanmar and Sudan, the institution of slavery outside of marriage does still exist, as do child prostitution and sweatshop labour rings in many East Asian, African and Eastern European regions.” Source: Click Here
And as a side note because you must be all of 13 years old.
Europe was involved in slave trading way before America was even a thought.
Oh yeah, and here is a piture of a poor black guy in America…Click Here
Here’s another eye opener for you hans…Click Here and Click Here
And now for the grand daddy of all links…click here you racist bastard.
Jeff– ““The answer is north korea is not a threat to ISREAL“
Why do people on this blog hate Jews so much…?”
Have you been so indoctrinated into the cult that your trigger responses go off regardless of relevance? Or is it that you aren’t aware that Israel is under the US defensive umbrella? Bro… snap out of it.
“The level of immaturity and lack of basic human history from people on this site is amazing.”
That just kills me that you are the one to say something like that. Mind blowing. ;-)
“You’re not seeing or hearing about N. Koreans blowing themselves up and killing innocents in the name of Allah.”
Nope, but you do see KJI actively threatening us.
“The N. Korean government are just starving their own poeple.”
Where’s your sense of honor in this case then? Why aren’t you rallying the troops for raid on NK? That was you posting the heartbreaking propaganda about domestic abuse before wasn’t it? I think what dude was saying is true. The US gives no respect to anyone who isn’t nuclear armed.
“Like Ted Kennedy and John Kerry, aren’t they a part of the government that is running America?”
Hmmm… not really. They are in a minority in Congress. Can’t really accomplish anything without the help of the Republicans.
“There are plently of Democrat and Republican christain fundamentalists to go around, you’re showing you age now.”
Haven’t seen any Democrats showing up for “Justice Sunday” though, have you?
“I’m currently an advisor to Jesus and I’m advising him to nuke the middle east”
I am currently a messenger from Jesus and he told me to tell you, “Seek therapy.”
Gomez– “YOU THINK ONLY AMERICA HAS NUCLEAR WEAPONS.”
Well, to be fair, China is the only one who has the ability to hit the US out of all of those. France doesn’t have the balls to nuke anyone. None of those nations you mentioned have nearly the size arsenal the US does. Of course, if someone took a chunk out of one of our cities, the US won’t hesitate to launch the arsenal our Tridents are toting around under the ocean’s surface. It’s really a lose-lose situation.
“YOU NUKE ONE COUNTRY AND A HUNDRED COUNTRY WILL NUKE AMERICA”
If you’re trying to intimidate someone, you should really investigate your subject matter before you speak. And turn off the caps lock. It makes you seem like you’re yelling.
*snicker*
Gomez– “YOU START IT AND WE WILL FINISH IT.”
If we started it, there wouldn’t be anything left to finish.
*snicker*
Gomez– “i cant believe you rlow inteligence”
This is such a very sad cry for help and education.
Jeff– “Why are millions and millions of all races trying to get in here(america) every year (legally and illegally) and no one is leaving?”
A couple of reasons… one is that the US extremely sparsely populated compared to most other nations. In other words, room to stretch your feet. The other reason is that you can get a business license here in less than an hour. In other nations, the process is somewhat more convoluted to put it lightly. Maybe next time you’re in Seven11, try talking to the guy running the place and he’d be more than happy to tell you.
“they don’t share your racist views against americans.”
How can someone have a racist view of such a highly integrated nation? And when I say highly, I mean in comparison to other nations.
Hank– “Apologise? For what?”
Yeah, what’d he do? I hate when I miss stuff.
“Let’s have your apology for brazen, reactionary, anti-American propaganda.”
That’s such an odd statement coming from someone who claims to not be from the US. Or maybe you’re just sensative. Nothing she has posted has made me feel like she was attacking America for the sake of attacking America and, as an American, I would probably be sensative to something like that. She seems to be attacking events and stirring up controversy. If you don’t like it, ignore it.
“What did you get up to in Paris anyway?”
Yeah, what’s up in Paris these days? Any good clubs?
“it will come in useful after we have thrown you out of the country”
So you are or aren’t American? Coulda sworn that you said you weren’t.
“What we need to focus on is why Islam generates inter-communal murder whereever it spreads.Any ideas?”
It’s a very easily exploited religion and I’m guessing it has something to do with Mohammed’s bandito status. It has nothing to to with Islam and everything to do with people who take advantage of it’s highly indoctrinated followers.
“BLAH BLAH BLAH”
Hey, you got that from me! *grumble*
“Of course north korea reneged on their agreement the following day, but…you get my point.”
That KJI is a shifty motha. Why didn’t the US enjoin NK in multilateral talks before attacking?
“Japan will get nuclear weapons.”
I think we should release Japan from it’s promise to maintain only defense forces. They may find themselves needing more.
“I wonder where you could find on the Internet such poisoners speaking out….?”
I find quite a few poisoners on foxnews.com.
hans– “Americ awas founded on racism”
You look alot like that guy named Gomez.
“NO OTHER RACE ON THIS PLANET HAS TRADED IN SLAVERY.”
Yo, lay off the crack. That shit’ll rot your brain. Now, drop the pipe and pick up a book and find out more about slavery before you say something that ignorant. The real deal is that you’d probably be hard-pressed to find a piece of land on the earth that never had a slave on it in one form or another. Many nations still trade in slavery even today. Saudi Arabia comes to mind. Which reminds me… where the heck did Nathalie Holloway go? I’m guessing she’s alive and working as a sex slave somewhere in the ME.
“civil war started.”
Contrary to popular belief, the US Civil War wasn’t over slavery.
“they are segregated by on racial lines.”
They are VOLUNTARILY segregated along CULTURAL lines. This happens in most (all?) nations which allow immigration. You should save your criticism for something you know more about.
“shows how little respect the white people have of blacks”
You have no idea of what you speak. Whole predominantly white towns have adopted many thousands of African American refugees. I suspect the slow reaction from the government had more to do with Republicans punishing predominantly Democratic voter blocs.
“The response was to slow and look at what bush’s wife said.”
Nobody in America really cares what the First Lady says. She’s not in charge.
“white middle class people of america are by far the racist”
I usually find that racism is predominant throughout all sectors of society and not limited to whites. It’s really more of a product of ignorance, so you better be careful.
“The islamists will leave america alone when america stops killing and boming”
I have a feeling that it’s going to continue on for a while after that. Maybe until a generation or two have come and gone.
samantha– “i think the americans have planted sum thing in my house to prevent me and my boyfriend from takin.”
I am guessing it was drugs and you have obviously found them.
“why are they doing this. i have no oil !!!!!!!!”
I’m guessing that you smoked it or lost it in the same place you lost your car keys. Look under the couch.
Gomez– “TO HANK AND HIS AMERICAN FELLOWS”
Yo, homey. That crank you’re taking is eating your brain.
This is a good site for keeping up to date efficiently with the muslim terrorist threat: http://jihadwatch.org/
Two Arab leaders by contrast, President Musharraf and King Abdullah II, recently struck a lon-awaited civilised note in this cacophony:
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2963
http://www.jordanembassyus.org/hmka12072002.htm
Will the Ladymichaelists now tell us these these two gentlemen are merely the pawns of US imperial ambitions in the Middle East or will we finally begin to hear the good sense in these two speeches reflected in the direction and tenour of this blog.….?
In my view, we are seeing the beginning of the isolation and quarantining of the muslim terrorist aggressors by civilised opinion.
Jon, let me set the record straight when it comes to this site. I thought maybe you of all people would have figured this out by now…
Honestly, I couldn’t give 2 shits about what people say around here, it’s fun just to stop by and rattle the chains and then sit back and watch the “Foaming at the mouth” take place from the people around here. I take this site about as seriously as The National Enquirer…
And on that note, I’ll leave you with this video clip of a new Iraqi soldier being trained in Northern Iraq… :-) Click Here
We are continuously told that the illegal occupation forces would leave Iraq if requested to do so, but now it seems they even want to question Iraq’s legal right to issue an arrest warrant.
Iraq arrest warrant for UK soldiers
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=1987212005
An Iraqi judge has issued an arrest warrant for the two British soldiers freed by UK forces on Monday.
The judge said they were wanted in connection with the deaths of several Iraqis during a confrontation with British forces.
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He told the BBC the two men could face a life sentence if found guilty of deliberately killing an Iraqi civilian during a disturbance on Monday.
The under-cover SAS soldiers are thought to have been on a surveillance mission outside a police station in Basra when they were challenged by an Iraqi police patrol. Iraqi officials have accused the soldiers of opening fire as they tried to escape.
The soldiers were held for hours while British military authorities demanded their release.
The BBC said the judge was not convinced the two men were British, and therefore would not be immune from arrest and possible prosecution in Iraq.
British military spokesman Major Steve Melbourne told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “We are not fully aware of the issue of these warrants.
“But what I must say is they have no legal basis for the issue of these.
“But what we will do is continue to work closely with Iraqis who actually have their investigation team down here now and also with the Iraqi government.”
““We are not fully aware of the issue of these warrants.”
Not FULLY aware? Can someone be only slightly aware? In other words, these guys look upon an Iraqi arrest warrant as nothing more than a slight annoyance.
Jon, that is English litotes. They are well known for it — along with irony — but other countries often “don’t get it”.
Coming out of the freakin woodwork…
Why don’t we hear any praise from Michael and Ladybird for the speeches of President Musharraf and King Abdullah II of Jordan? I think their silence is trying to tell us something…
While awaiting Ladymichael’s long-delayed reaction to the two speeches of president Musharraf and king Abdullah II, here is someone else to admire taking the proper stand:
“The officer who commanded the operation to rescue two SAS troopers in Basra refused last night to apologise for his actions and promised to do the same again if British soldiers’ lives were in danger.
Brig John Lorimer had ‘no doubt it was the right thing to do’
“The message this action has sent to terrorists around the world is that they cannot expect to take British soldiers hostage and get away with it,” said Brig John Lorimer (right).
In an exclusive interview with The Sunday Telegraph, he added: “It would be inappropriate for the British Army to apologise.””
(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=ES4UUYLRFW3Q3QFIQMFSM5OAVCBQ0JVC?xml=/news/2005/09/25/nirq25.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/09/25/ixportaltop.html) — a great photograph of Brigadier Lorimer on that page btw.
A policy of absolute barbarism?
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10376.htm
Basra; another milestone in war on terror
“What our police found in their car was very disturbing — weapons, explosives, and a remote control detonator. These are the weapons of terrorists. We believe these soldiers were planning an attack on a market or other civilian targets.” Sheik Hassan al-Zarqani, spokesman for the Mehdi Army
By Mike Whitney
09/24/05 “ICH” — – We are only interested in one thing regarding the melee that broke out in Basra following the arrest of two British commandoes on September 20: whether or not the car they were driving contained explosives? The answer to that question could decide the future of Iraq as well as the fate of Bush’s war on terror. Nothing should deter us from getting to the bottom of this crucial question and no extraneous fact or fiction should divert our attention from uncovering the answer.
If it can be clearly established that there were explosives in that vehicle then we can say with some degree of certainty that the wave of terrorism that is spreading across Iraq is, at least, in part the work of British and American Intelligence. That would imply that current counterinsurgency efforts now involve the premeditated killing of innocent people to achieve the stated policy objectives. This is the very definition of terrorism.
Early news reports from both the BBC and the Washington Post confirmed allegations that bomb-making material was discovered in the captured vehicle. The Post’s Ellen Knickmeyer stated, “The Iraqi security officials on Monday variously accused two Britons they detained of shooting at Iraqi forces or TRYING TO PLANT EXPLOSIVES.” (Washington Post, 9–20-05; “British Smash into Jail to Free Two Detained Soldiers) Neither the Post nor the BBC have printed retractions or clarifications on this story even though it has swept across the internet with a fury not seen since the Downing Street memo. In fact, this story is significantly more important. The entire war on terror is predicated on the belief that the murdering of innocent people cannot be rationalized. The incident in Basra puts all that into question.
Bush has marshaled the public fear from 9–11 into a rallying cry for his global-onslaught. He has waved the bloody-shirt of terror to enhance his power as executive and declare a permanent state of war. Terror has provided the foundation for savaging civil liberties, imprisoning American citizens, and acting with complete impunity.
“The deliberate and deadly attacks which were carried out on September 11 were more than acts of terror. They were acts of war”, Bush boomed. The powers of the “war president” depend entirely on his nebulous war on terror.
The same is true for Tony Blair. The British PM has acted-out the same rituals as Bush; railing against the “evil ideology” of Muslim fanaticism saying, “We must confront and deal head on with the extremism that is based on a perversion of the true faith of Islam.”
Blair’s fulminations have resulted in the most extraordinary attack on civil liberties in the last 100 years. His pretentious rhetoric has produced a de facto state of martial law for Muslims living in England.
Now his muddled justification for endless war and butchery is facing its greatest challenge; a Ford Cressida packed with a trunk-load of explosives on the streets of Basra. If proof emerges that the car contained bombs then Bush’s war of terror will fall apart like a mobile home in a Texas hurricane.
The Chinese news service Xinhuanet reported that, “A police patrol followed the attackers and captured them to discover that they were two British soldiers. The soldiers were using a civilian car packed with explosives.” (Xinhuanet 9–20-05) The same basic story appeared on Syrian and Turkish TV, and in other news reports in the Gulf States
The Washington Post’s foreign office filed a similar report by Jonathan Finer stating that, “Monday’s clashes stemmed from the arrest by Iraqi police on Sunday of two Britons, WHOM IRAQI POLICE ACCUSED OF PLANTING BOMBS”.
And then there was this from Syrian correspondent in Baghdad Ziyad al-Munajjid:
“Many analysts and observers here had suspicions that the occupation was involved in some armed operations against civilians and places of worship and in the killing of scientists. But those were only suspicions that lacked proof. The proof came today through the arrest of the two British soldiers while they were planting explosives in one of the Basra streets. This proves, according to observers, that the occupation is not far from many operations that seek to sow sedition and maintain disorder, as this would give the occupation the justification to stay in Iraq for a longer period.” Abdel al-Daraji, Muslim cleric in Baghdad told the UK Telegraph that “Britain was plotting to start an ethnic war by carrying out mass-casualty bombings targeting Shia civilians and then blaming the attacks on Sunni groups.”
“Everyone knows the occupiers agenda, said al-Daraji. “Their intention is to keep Iraq an unstable battlefield so they can exploit their interests in Iraq.”
Whether the reports are accurate or not is almost irrelevant. They feed the widespread dissatisfaction with the occupation and contribute to the conspiracy theories that animate the national discourse. The belief that the British and American black-ops are behind the violence has captured the popular imagination and will be impossible to dispel. The damage to the occupation is incalculable.
As the story spreads through Iraq, support for the al-Jaafari government is certain to wane and the Shi’ites will increasingly drift towards the resistance. The occupation leaders will have to devise a strategy to restore confidence in their legitimacy or face the steady erosion of support. If that proves to be impossible, then we’re bound to see more radicalized Shi’ites entering the rival camp. A massive movement of Shi’ites into the resistance would pose a serious challenge to the ongoing American-British presence.
The Basra incident is a fatal blow to the Pentagon’s narrative of foreign terrorists stirring up trouble in Iraq. The military depends heavily on the al-Zarqawi myth to feed public fears and divert attention from a brutish occupation. From this point forward every terrorist bombing and random act of violence will be scrutinized as (potentially) the work of British or American agents. How can Bush and Blair hope to allay the suspicions of Iraqi people after Basra?
What can they possibly do to rebuild faith in the stated goals of the occupation?
The Basra incident is another milestone in the faltering war on terror. The questions that emerge are fundamental to understanding whether we are engaged in a noble effort to liberate and democratize the Iraqi people, or complicit in the deliberate murder of innocent civilians.
calculated destruction of Iraqi society and the daily assault on their main cities. We’ve already read of the use of napalm, cluster-bombs, unidentified chemicals and other banned weapons on civilian enclaves. And, we’ve already noted the growing number of young Sunni men who bob-along the Euphrates River after being shot in the back of the head by the CIA-trained goons at the Interior Ministry.
Is it so hard to believe that Special Forces are now directly involved in attacks on civiliaIf the car driven by the two commandos was loaded with explosives, then we can assume that it would have been used to kill civilians.
Why does this surprise us?
We’ve already seen the “Shock and Awe” invasion that cost tens of thousands of lives. We’ve already seen the horrific photos of tortured and sadistically abused prisoners at Abu Ghraib. We’ve already heard the news of the 200 prisoners at Guantanamo who are starving themselves to death under the Pentagon’s watchful eye. We’ve already chronicled the ns?
Aren’t we seeing the logical extension of a policy that rejects all ethical and moral constraints? A policy of absolute barbarism?
Basra will tell.
Michael, I thought you rather approved of planting bombs and killing civilians. Did I read you wrong somewhere? What is the party line on that?
Now this is going to throw Michael into a bit of a tizzy because it’s full of facts and he will accordingly get all confused;
“A large scale opinion survey in Iraq, sponsored by several foreign media networks, found that 70 percent of Iraqis thought they were doing well, and 56 percent believed life was better than before the war. Some 70 percent were optimistic about the future.
Iraqis are glad to see Saddam gone, but upset that foreigners had to do it. Thus 49 percent thought the coalition invasion was justified, while 39 percent think it was wrong. While 41.8 percent said the war liberated Iraq, 41.2 percent said Iraq was humiliated. Only 39 percent wanted foreign troops to remain in the country. As for the attacks on foreign troops, 17 percent approved (21 percent of Iraqi Arabs approved of this, but only two percent of Iraqi Kurds.) Overall, 78 percent said the attacks on coalition troops were unacceptable, although that went up to 96.6 percent for attacks on Iraqi police. Understandably, lack of law and order is seen as the most pressing need (22.1 percent of respondents), followed by unemployment (11.8 percent), inflation (9.5 percent), electricity shortages (4.2 percent), housing problems (4.1 percent) and the quality of infrastructure (water supply, road repair and so on, 3.7 percent). The events that make headlines outside of Iraq mean little to the average Iraqi, as only 1.8 percent thought terrorist attacks were the most important issue in their lives, and only .2 percent were concerned about religious and ethnic strife inside Iraq.
Only 20 percent of Iraqis wanted an Islamic state, and 75 percent wanted a strong, unified state, without special privileges for Kurds or anyone else. Religious leaders are trusted the most (by 42.4 percent), and coalition forces the least (4.3 percent). Iraqis now want democratically elected leaders (55.3 percent), but even more they want a strong leader. Saddam Hussein is still respected for his “power” by many Iraqis. While 15.1 percent of Iraqis want coalition forces to leave immediately, 53.3 percent want them to stay until a functioning Iraqi government is in place, or peace is restored to the country.
The survey was conducted by Iraqis, who were hired and trained by the polling organization, Oxford Research International.” http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/2004319.asp
Meanwhile, in another theatre of combat:
“Sharon announces free rein for military counter-missile operation. Israeli air force strikes Hamas strongholds in Gaza, 207 wanted Palestinian terrorists rounded up on West Bank.” http://www.debka.com/
This is the only way to deal with these people; so don’t think we are going to pussy-foot around in Baghdad. Yes, Michael, we are out and out barbarians.
Is this your idea of civilised behaviour Michael?
“Hamas yesterday announced its plan to turn a synagogue in Netzarim into a museum that would display weapons employed by the terrorist group’s members against Israeli civilians.“http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19603
Meanwhile — correct response:
” US expresses ‘understanding’ to Israeli response to attacks”
http://www.jpost.com/
The civilised way employed is to target the terrorist leaders wherever possible. They are the ones who are leading their people to misery and ruin even where every opportunity for building a peaceful comunity is in place:
“Israel Kills Militant Chief in Offensive
Sunday September 25, 2005 10:46 PM
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By LARA SUKHTIAN
Associated Press Writer
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) — Israel pressed forward with a broad offensive against Islamic militants on Sunday, killing an Islamic Jihad commander in a pinpoint airstrike in the Gaza Strip and rounding up more than 200 wanted Palestinians. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon promised to use “all means” against the militants.
The offensive, coming just two weeks after Israel withdrew from Gaza, followed a wave of militant rocket attacks against Israeli towns over the weekend. Israel has promised to continue with its airstrikes, arrests and a possible ground invasion until the rocket fire ceases.
“There shall be no restrictions on the use of all means to hit the terrorists and the terror organizations, their equipment and their hideouts,” Sharon told his Cabinet Sunday. “The order is unequivocal.”
Late Sunday, a top Hamas leader in Gaza said his group would halt the rocket fire. Israeli officials said they would wait to see if things remained quiet before calling off the offensive.
The pullout and the recent wave of fighting have weakened Sharon in his ruling Likud Party ahead of a crucial vote Monday. Sharon walked out of a stormy Likud meeting Sunday without delivering his prepared speech after what appeared to be an intentional electricity outage prevented him from speaking.
Many party members are angry at Sharon over the pullout, and it appeared that his opponents sabotaged the electric system. Monday’s vote will set a date for party primaries, and a setback for Sharon could force him to leave the party he founded three decades ago, most likely to form a new centrist party.
Sunday’s airstrike killed Islamic Jihad’s top commander in southern Gaza, Mohammed Khalil, and his bodyguard as they drove along a coastal road in Gaza City.
The airstrike signaled a return to Israel’s policy of targeted killings. Israel halted the assassinations, which have drawn international condemnation, after a February cease-fire declaration.
The army said Khalil was responsible for attacks that killed 17 Israelis. “
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5302116,00.html
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The US-Gov began in 1999 (perhaps also with militia that accompanied Chalabi during the pre-emptive invasion) in training Iraqi at an old Russian military base near Kapsovar, Hungry.
Also with $3-billion CIA funds, Bernard Kerik (NYC Police Commissioner) was hired by Homeland Security to train Iraq Police, in which Kerik got the nick-name Baghdad Terminator, and who quit before the first graduation class. Likely because many of this first class were reported to be old Baa’thist regime people.
Our US-militasry captured one of the above milita’s belonging to the Iraq-gov, who admitted to being on the way to bomb a mosque. Another US military group arrested a Contrator mercenary group who had been shooting innocent Iraqi, and who they strongly suspected to have been the group shooting at US military.
A video is making the rounds of a sniper in Iraq using video-recorder attached to scope developed in Israel, actually shooting US servicemen.
All you need do is look into the Pentagon “Salvadore Option” plan, a false flag operation sometimes called “Developing Tension” and the suspicions being mentioned here have considerable background of proof to back them.
That Iraqi Shiite and Sunni have begun bombing and murdering each other is more than suspicious, especially as this began wholesale when Americans began complaining of escalating US servicemen deaths.
Do I distrust leadership in America and our allies, sure as hell I do.
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There is considerable evidence that the Bush/Cheney-Admin (and before) in control of the Pentagon have relied heavily upon Flase Flag operations and deception concerning Iraq, and that both Brit and US have people capable of anything within Special Forces and Contract Mercenary. Corp’s like CICA and TITAN are today being sued for their part in the Abu Ghraib torture operation.
Operations like those of the NATO Stay Behind Military (terrorists) controlled by these two gov’s is also documented. Operations like Strategic Tension and the Salvador Option althought said simply contingency plans, would be believed not in operation only by the very foolish.
My website article (click on link) about Iraq Police training that began by the US-Gov in 1999 at Camp Peace, an old Russian military base near Kapsovar Hungry, gives some background rin this situation.
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Interesting, the (supposed) British were traveling around in Arab garb, with no identifcation, have a shoot-out with Iraq Police (in which a Policeman is killed/wounded), the two are are caught with vehicle loaded with(?)… and British immediately demand their release.
This all sounds typical of a misunderstanding to me, the Iraqi should have immediately released the two, after all, who is the boss here?
I have another source that probably answers question where Iraqi militia’s “poping-up” in large numbers and apparently well trained and armed.
Do a websearch of a “Camp Peace an old Russian Base near Kapsovar, Hungry operated by US-Gov that in 1999 began training Free Iraqi.”