What I find difficult to understand why most of the people behave like cattle derived by politicians and the media.
People, politicians and the media forget the main problem and started to shift the focus on sub-problems in an attempt to play down the cause of the real problem.
- Why do SAS members disguise as Iraqis?
– Is it the SAS job to gather information?
– Why do they need two M4, two rocket launchers, anti-tanks rockets, 2 Machineguns, wire cutters, explosives and 2 wigs to gather information?
– How many missions like this one “succeeded” before ?.
Watch Newsnight on the BBC
What will happend if two Iraqis walking the streets of London or New York with the same gadgets ( in the UK is shoot to kill policy).
The positive news is: this event was a wakeup call for some silent Iraqis and I am including Blogs too.
We Iraqis learned in our history books the term “
For sure we will never hear any information about their mission from officials, sadly people also will never ask these questions and much worst they will Justify it and for sure also the coming weeks there will be no bombings in Bassra too.
Recommended reading
Fake Terrorism Is a Coalition’s Best Friend
Several articles have already turned the story against the angry Iraqis who fought the British tanks as they demolished the jail wall, painting them as aggressive Shia militia attacking the doe-eyed, innocent troops responding to the concern that their comrades were held by religious fanatics. A photograph of a troop on fire comes complete with commentary that the vehicles were under attack during a “bid to recover arrested servicemen” that were possibly undercover. All criminal elements of British treachery are downplayed, the car’s explosive cache is never mentioned and the soldiers who instigated the affair are made victims of an unstable country they are defending.
Kit– “But I do know, beyond the shadow of a doubt that AMERICANS are less well off as a result of this invasion, and that our government’s first priority ought to be OUR welfare.”
I’ve been trying to tell them that, but nobody wants to listen to me.
Pssst… the word “facts” is the key to answering your question. And I’d have to concur that the whole list contains nothing but obvious facts. If you’d like to dispute something, give it a whirl.
This is one of those “projected guilt” situations.
“Are not… blah blah blah …overall question?”
This is somewhat less than I have come to expect from you Hank. An obviously intelligent and articulate guy walks in and enjoins what could be a meaningful discussion and you don’t have the courtesy to treat him with respect. Tsk tsk.
“Is not this casuistry?”
You’ve flipped your lid my friend.
“Have you even begun to address the question of your country’s interests…as if the war had nothing to do with that welfare?”
Apparently he has and apparently he has rejected oil as a good enough reason to kill so many people while leaving America vulnerable at the same time.
Not much has besmirched the US reputation like this “preemptive war”.
“And why are you concerned with images more than reality?”
I’d say he’s concerned with both. In fact, they seem intertwined. With America’s image in its currently dilapidated condition, we stand no chance for winning hearts and minds, which, if you ask me, was the MOST important aspect of the operation in Iraq. I wonder how many shots have been fired at US troops simply because of some simpleton like Lindy England.
“Am I turning into Jon by asking you long strings of leading questions?”
No, because you are just doing it do be a prick, but you knew that already.
Charles– “Predicated on the fact that Saddam was in material breach”
Apparently, he wasn’t. Even the weapons inspectors disagreed with this. The war was sold to the American public and everyone else, in other words, predicated, on WMD. You aren’t pulling that foot out of Bush’s mouth that easily.
“Yeah — and the soldiers who were abusing detainees are under arrest.”
HA! First off, you didn’t read Kit’s statement carefully and you didn’t understand his meaning. Or you COULDN’T understand his meaning because you aren’t aware that it’s still happening and not just in Abu Ghraib. The things he is refering to are still happening in Gitmo and even in places the public doesn’t know about. People who had no involvement with terrorism or insurgent activity have been rounded up as suspects even though they were just going about their daily lives. Just because GIs have learned not to post photographic evidence of their crimes on the net doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. And another thing… the soldiers serving time for Abu Ghraib we just scapegoats. The responsible parties(translation: chain of command) got away with it.
“Thanks to the civilized world for all of their compassion for Iraqis and practical help.”
How unfeeling of everyone now to get involved in an illegal war and occupation. It’s terrible.
“I wonder what a few more 9/11’s would cost the US and the world?”
You actually think you’re safer now, don’t you?
“That is a lot and a tragedy. I wonder who is killing more now?”
Weird how this stuff wasn’t happening until the US came on the scene.
“That level of causalties was reached within the first 30 minutes of the somme battle.”
It’s so strange how the commodification of human life can lead people to believe that there is something called an “acceptable casualty rate”.
“I’m sure liberals find it strange that soldiers continue to do their duty.”
I’m pretty sure that most everyone is aware that soldiers are just mindless automatons… oops, I meant to say just following orders.
“The Federal government is NOT ALLOWED to provide active duty military for domestic security purposes.”
I thought the whole purpose of the military was to provide domestic security. BTW… Bush already accepted full responsibility, so don’t try to take it back now!
“The lack of international support, and the actions of the terrorists, make your equation uglier and uglier each day.”
Man, terrorists are just flocking to Iraq aren’t they? It used to be that terrorists were fairly rare, but we’ve managed to find tens of thousands of them all hiding in Iraq. Who’da thunk it.
We need to update the dictionary definition of terrorist to reflect your view that a terrorist is anyone we kill in Iraq.
Just out of curiosity, the the radical conservative contingent in America all get together and decide to swap the terms “insurgent” and “terrorist”? I recently noticed this phenomenon and it seems that conservatives are converting to this term en masse. What’s the matter? Are Americans in general too ignorant to understand the word insurgent so your PR guy had you all switch to the word terrorist?
“Same argument could have been used during WWII.”
And, in fact, was for quite a long time.
“You expect certainty in an uncertain world. Ain’t gonna happen.”
Translation– Not a damn thing apart from a little oil.
“could the combined power of the civilized world truly fail to overcome a dictator?”
This was accomplished long ago. What we are now trying to defeat is something less tangible that a tyrant. It’s called an ideology and there is no hope for success in this war.
“Would it not send a message to the other baddies?”
Yeah, and that message is that the US is weakening itself and, with a little more pressure, their superpower status can be wiped out. What message did you think we were sending? That we are big and tough and you’ve awoken the sleeping giant and now we shall commence chasing our tails in the desert to prove we are tough and you will become humane leaders because of this ludicrous demonstration?
“It was congress under Clinton who voted to support the overthrow of Saddam.”
You probably missed the meaning of the word “support”. And you missed the details of the methods of support. And you missed the financial cap put on that support. Etc…
“It is blatantly clear that Saddam did not comply with the letter or the spirit of UN cease fire requirements.”
OK… so we are invading to enforce UN resolutions now right? When does the war on Israel start?
“the UN let it drag on for over a decade, and still balked when the moment of truth arrived.”
That’s because of what inspectors were telling them. They weren’t just being obstinate you know.
“Actually it was predicated on many assertions”
Hey… I watched Powell’s entire speach to the UN and WMD was the selling point.
“(which is apparently what he wanted everyone to think)”
Yes… he kept insisting they were destroyed because he wanted us to think he was using reverse logic on us. Boy were we fooled!
“and that he would DEFINITELY resume their production once the sanctions were lifted and the world looked the other way”
Yeah, he probably would have. It’s hard for people to get any respect from the US unless they have nukes. Maybe we need to change the Brute Force and Ignorance based foreign policy we use to something that won’t encourage leaders to seek nuclear capability.
“Saddam HAD employed terrorists against the US (an assassin”
Even assassins are terrorists now are they? And you used the plural “terrorists” because of one assassin. Why is that? Why are you endeavoring to unduly frighten your fellow citizens?
“it was hardly speculation that he might be inclined to give chemical or nuclear materials to one of the terrorist organizations ”
Actually, speculation is exactly what that is.
“one of the terrorist organizations he was harboring (including Zarqawi)”
Time will tell on that one.
“CHARLES: I wonder what a few more 9/11’s would cost the US and the world? Oh, and thanks again for your help…
It would have cost a hell of a lot more than 200 billion.”
Your assertion is that we are now safe from terror attacks and this is false. In fact, we are less safe now.
“As Charles pointed out, mostly by the terrorists”
This habit you all have developed of calling all those people terrorists is racist hype.
“the Iraqis that WOULD have been killed by Saddam at this point, would be holed away in political prisons for almost barely any reason”
Horsehockey.
“and would have died from the continued sanctions.”
You mean US sanctions?
“The removal of Saddam stopped that.”
Stopped Saddam from doing it you mean. The deaths have geometrically accelerated.
“But don’t let that stop your weeping over Saddam’s passing.”
I have a feeling that Kit has no love for Saddam and to imply so is nothing more than an incendiary remark.
“We lost over 1500 in a TRAINING accident for the invasion of Normandy.”
The commodification of human life can make any attrocity acceptable can’t it?
“Are you so ignorant of the size and capabilities of the US forces to believe we don’t have the resources to do both”
Are you so ignorant as to finish reading his statement of fact? Let me refresh your memory with the rest of his statement… “have complained that the extended absence of so many reservists has hampered their ability”.
“I bet you don’t.”
Well, I do. And they aren’t.
“Only if…they buy them.”
Hence the inability to make a determination.
“My how compassionate!”
Yes, much better with all those lovely bombs exploding and the US deciding how they should live.
“And when Iraq devolves into a civil war”
You seem to think that there isn’t a civil war going on when that is exactly what’s happening. The US isn’t going to change that no matter how much time we spend there.
“I’m sure you’ll have a really righteous feeling way down deep”
I wonder how it compares with the self-righteous feeling that pervades YOUR life.
“The fact that you don’t connect Iraq’s well-being to America’s only shows how ignorant you are of the whole situation.”
See, you aren’t actually concerned with the well-being of any iraqis and this I know because of the racist attitude you’ve made all too obvious. In fact, your concern is only their compliance with US wishes and I am guessing that is because you own a Ford Expedition or something of that nature.
“In the sense that benefits of democracy are always unclear, you are right.”
How about the benefit of being buried under a few tons of concrete when the Apaches are attacking the insurgent cell in the next house over?
“In the sense that the terrorists will ultimately lose, you are wrong.”
Translation– You’re wrong! Because we intend to kill every towlie we can find!
“the US, of course, wants to control Iraqi oil…why are the BRITISH involved in that”
Duh! They know the world is running out of oil too.
Kit– “CMAR, your argument is beneath contempt…I care about Americans more.”
*standing on my chair and applauding* ;-)
CMAR– “I’m glad you didn’t miss that unstated implication.”
Obviously, you HAVE missed something. I’m not going to tell you what, but it’s right in front of your face.
“Saying it doesn’t make it so.”
Plan B — If rational argument fails, be obstinate.
“Read a history book, will you?”
Forgive them, for they know not of what they speak.
“Consequently it was the US that had the responsibility to depose Saddam even France could not be convinced to go along.”
Plan C– When other logic types fail, resort to redneck logic.
“I think I already have explained why…looked the other way.”
The key word being COULD. “Could have happened” isn’t much of an excuse. Got anything better?
“The Administration believed”
So far, the evidence tends to controvert this statement. It seems the Administration actually knew their own argument was horsehockey.
“As the opportunity presents itself as it did for Saddam, why not?”
Because the further devestation of our capability to wage war is going to leave this country hard to defend. And when the world gets tired of our crap and shuts off the oil, it’s going to be tough getting those tanks from the scrapheap to overseas.
“nations like the US who CARE about keeping treaties.”
I think the unsigning of this treaty pretty much nullifies your suggestion.
“HOW could exposing Americans to such a court be good for AMERICANS???”
Humility would be a start.
“I’m beginning to doubt your genuineness.”
Pot… refrigerator… black.
“Umm…heard of 9–11?”
You simply won’t accept Saddam was not involved even when Fox news will admit. You’re like a Stepford fascist.
Define necessary, knucklehead. We hadn’t reached the point of necessary yet. In fact, war was the very first option. In fact, it was the only option because war was the intent to start with and sanctions are just an excuse and oil will be the product.
Kit– “I can see there’s no point in attempting adult conversation here.”
Once in the very rare occasion Hank or Charles will suprise you. Beyond that, you’re out of luck.
“You argue like six-year old bullies on a playground.”
Only because you’re making them work too hard.
“I will pray that you all learn that ridicule and insult are not argument, and that those who are honest with their inquiries do not have to be rude and flippant.”
Just keep in mind that there is a 50–50 chance that God will respond with a resounding “no”.
“There’s no need for me to come back here.”
Well, at least I know I’m not alone.
No! Come back!
“Enjoy talking to yourselves.”
*sigh*
Trust me, you’re the confused one here.
““You argue like six-year old bullies on a playground.“
You’d be better off just to be quiet and stop making yourself look ignorant. He said you (meaning CMAR and Jeff) ARGUE like 6 year old bullies. And you just proved him right. Bravo! Knucklehead.
“I wish I had went to your school, I would have gone far. I could have been the Uday of your school.”
Just stopping for a moment to ponder with amusement Jeff getting the tar stomped out of him by an ex-Ranger martial arts instructor. And the lump that handgun would make while stuck in his throat. And then him trying to dislodge it with his broken arms. Funny.
“I’d love to do Ann Coulter”
Obviously haven’t noticed the conspicuous Adam’s apple Coulter is sporting have you?
I sit here reading this drivel you replicants spout and I have to laugh. I hear someone tell Kit to read a book and I find this too funny. I’ve actually seen his library and know that he’s read everything in it and that it is no small feat. Not to mention his plural degrees which actually QUALIFY him to be here discussing these things unlike the rest of us hacks. It took some cajoling on my part to get Kit to honor this place with his vast wisdom, education and honesty. I was certain that, even as ignorant and pig-headed as most of you people are, that you would still be able to recognize the truth when it was plunked down in your lap. I was wrong. I read a few days back when someone posted, “the only thing Americans understand is dead Americans”. I sadly have to admit this appears to be true. I can see that America is going to learn its lessons the hard way and THAT is the part of this situation that has destroyed the reputation of the US. And when someone takes a chuck out of one of our cities with a nuclear device, I won’t be blaming them, I’ll be blaming you radical conservative Christian supremacist ignorant redneck dipshits.
How about one better…How about including the whole phase, not just a word to support your stance.
In 1441 it states…
“All necessary means” We spent 12 years using every necessary means. Here’s a thought, You are placing the blame on the US when all saddam could have done is say…Nope, I don’t have them, feel free to look everywhere you want to look. But no knucklehead, he choose to play the cat and mouse game for 12 years. It’s pretty damn simple.
But who gives fuck, right?
nice… Yep, that’s mature…Thanks for your help in advance ;-)
Anyway, I found this to be quite interesting…
Neo-fascism and the U.S.
Richard Rahn, a senior fellow of the Discovery Institute and adjunct scholar of the Cato Institute states:
“Despite the election of a ‘compassionate conservative’ as president, federal spending is again growing faster than national income, even excluding the new military spending, in large part due to a bipartisan effort to enlarge government. The laudable effort made in the late 1990s to get rid of most farm subsidies is now in the process of being thrown out. Free trade is under attack and protectionism is again emerging, and the recent ‘campaign finance reform’ legislation is a direct attack on free speech. The new fascism is not just a danger for Europeans; it is a present danger for us.” [1]
Clinton Administration
There continues to remain conservative, libertarian, and independent view points that the Bill Clinton administration was fascist. They point to Clinton’s attempt to “centralize” the financial and economic markets and to socialize the economy. They also point to the liberal control of the media which would support the contention that the media worked in collusion with the administration. Likewise, many of Hillary Clinton’s policies have been criticized as fascist.
Certain actions taken by Clinton during his administration have also caused critics to call his administration Fascist:
* Military actions in Bosnia, Somalia, and Sudan.
* Actions taken at Waco, TX in dealing with the Branch Davidians.
* The actions taken in regards to the Elian Gonzales situation in Florida.
* Motions towards the accumulation of control at the federal level, leading to fears of totalitarianism (one of many aspects of a potential Fascist state).
I know you like Bill Clinton and the Democratic party, so I thought I’d let you take a look at this. It takes a pretty closed minded person to just look at the last 4 1/2 years to determine there’s a problem and constantly place the blame and foam at the mouth at Bush and Conservative’s. I personally blame them all, but it seems that you’re are really bias against conservative’s. Jon, I really think you may be a closet liberal…I’m just saying. As for the libertarian party…You’ve turned me completely off to them as well. Thanks! Now I offically hate them all.
You know, I was listening to Michael Badnarik last week while I was driving home from work and he is an extremely intelligent man, with class. I didn’t hear any of the “radical conservative Christian supremacist ignorant redneck dipshits” comments coming from him. The only time I see or hear words like fascist, redneck, christian supremacist, ignorant. etc. is when it’s coming from a liberal. If the libertarin party is mostly made up of people like you, then i’m sorry, I’ll have no part of it. You’re no better than Rush Limbwhatever, Ted Kennedy or George Bush and the people who support them.
And as for this Kit person…whatever…I’m glad he can read and does just that. Now go and tell him to take his book/plural degree knowlege and save the fucking planet.
Now the Ladymichaelists have written all Americans off as Nazis. Unfortunately, Michael’s mentor, Dr. Norman D. Liversausage (see ) doesn’t comment on the Arabs so the Ladymichaelists don’t know what position to take.
” there is nothing fundamentally Islamic about these extremists. They are religious totalitarians, in a long line of extremists of various faiths who seek power by intimidation, violence and thuggery.”
and from Michael the ANSWER is: ‘er, um, well, yes this must be a nasty-crusader redneck whatsit just like the hones mind of Jon has expressed it.’
Well, sorry old boy. It’s King Abdullah II of Jordan (http://www.jordanembassyus.org/hmka12072002.htm).
‘oh, er, um, let me consult with the Politburo and then I’ll tell you what they say I think.’
testing 1 2 3 .… is this mic on…? I just spent the last 15 minutes writing and it didn’t get posted…
I think I’m being censored…
Help Help…I’m being repressed!
Oh sorry, I left out the link to the Ladymichaelists’ mentor — see “The Demonic Cabal” at http://www.new-enlightenment.com/cabal_index.htm
Liversausage Speaks Out!
I think you must have hurt the feelings of someone with very tender sensibilities and a great love for all humanity that is so all-pervasive it is ineffable (excluding Americans).
Now by contrast with the fine sentiments of King Abdullah, who is the hero of the left and of the extremists to whom the King refers, Y. Arafat?
By stark contrast with King Abdullah II, we observe Y.Arafat, the George Washington of the “Palestinian State” and Arab hero of the Ladymichaelists:
“Secret cameras filmed Arafat’s nightly orgies of homosexual cavorting with his body guards while he was a guest at the dictator Nicolae Ceausescu’s mansion. They also kept careful record of the young boys (mostly teens from Rumanian orphanages) with whom Ceausescu plied Arafat’s seemingly limitless pedophilia. Given the traditional Moslem taboos regarding homosexuality, the KGB easily got what it needed to keep Arafat under control (See http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19590).”
By the way, Pacepa was the head of Rumanian intelligence at the time and later defected to civilisation; see biography athttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Mihai_Pacepa .
He wrote his memoirs: “Red Horizons”. Possibly another nazi-american-puppet-dupe, Michael?
I thought you said earlier that people in the military were stupid?
Wow bro, you’ve done a complete 360. Whatever man…I’ll leave you here with your new American hating friends. It will make them feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing they’ve got someone on the inside. You can sit here and plot our(Americans) deaths with them and jump for joy when our “stupid” troops die.
Uphold the constitution huh…you might want to take a look at the little treason clause.
You people are hopeless.
LadyBird–
I would like to recommend that you stop allowing the radical right to waste your money in the furtherance of their cause. They are using your site to propagandize as many people as they can at your expense. My recommendation is that you delete every comment they make to stem as much as possible the tide of their propaganda war. While it’s impossible to stop these fascists, you should at least not pay to fund their efforts.
Yeah Ladybird, Censorship is the way to go… ;-)
And I’m supposed to trust your party Jon with upholding my Bill of Rights?
propaganda war? Hey, I’m not the one posting pictures of dead babies.
But hey, Here’s a better idea for you ladybird. Just stop doing the blog thing and post your propaganda they you want the world to view it. You’ll still have your 6 or 7, well…now 8, person following and it will keep them all very happy. And hey, you may pick up more traffic this way as well. It’s a win win for all. :-)
Jon now emerges as spokesman for the fascist left.
Now Jon, what do you think about the King of Jordan’s speech?
I’m actually dissapointed…
oh well, I learned how the Libertarian’s actually think. Now i’m off to start my own party…It’s called “It’s time to get some sleep” party.
Later…
Jon,
My recommendation is that you delete every comment they make to stem as much as possible the tide of their propaganda war.
I think you are a liar about being a Libertarian. I can’t think of a more non-Libertarian statement than this one.
This also suggests that even you are finally realizing how baseless your arguments have become.
Jon,
I just noticed you response to me regarding my thread with Kit.
I think rather than coming up with (un)snappy answers, you should try to actually READ what I said. Your answers suggest you didn’t even carefully read what you were responding to.
Hi LadyBird!
update
Judge Raghib Hassan issued the warrants on Thursday, accusing the two of wounding a second Iraqi policeman, carrying unlicensed weapons and holding false identification, Kassim al-Sabti, head of the lawyers’ syndicate in Basra, told Reuters.
“What odds would you have given, four years ago, that Iraq would move from being privately owned by a kleptocratic sadist to having a brave, tough, democratic socialist as an elected president?”
http://www.slate.com/id/2126585/
Baghdad Dweller reports
Now Ladybird will perhaps understand how “facts” presented by this blog are created. Biter bit.
Ladybird, you’re treading on dangerous grounds…
First of all, you’re not even in Iraq.
Second, you are now interfering and spreading propaganda directly for Al-Qeada in Iraq and helping others with their cause. You have single handly convicted these british soldiers and for that you are now responsible for the deaths and or injuries that result from the tension in the area that you are helping to bring about.
The blood is now on your hands.
Welcome to the war.
“”…what is happening in Iraq now is crucial for our own security”.” Prime Minister of the United Kindom http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=3XPYWC4OAOBONQFIQMFSM5OAVCBQ0JVC?xml=/news/2005/09/25/ulabour.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/09/25/ixportaltop.html
“Finally, a real peace process: An Israeli Air Force combat helicopter flying over Gaza fired a missile towards a vehicle carrying the Palestinian terrorist, who, according to Army Radio, was identified as Sheikh Mohammed Khalil, a senior member of the Islamic Jihad military wing. An army announcement said that its forces carried out an interception of a car that was transporting Khalil and another man, Aya Latif Sheikh Khalil, who were the heads of Islamic Jihad in the Gaza Strip.“
http://www.moonbatcentral.org/wordpress/
Wouldn’t you agree, Ladymoonbat, that this is the way to hit hard at terrorists — go for their leaders. The people may obtain peace a lot quicker. Would they become slaves without these thugs comtrolling them? You say at the head of this blog that the people are “cattle”. Why not support this method to get rid of the cowboys who are riding the herd over a cliff. Why do you phony leftists never trust the people? The real cattle who have rings through their noses are the ones who put out the ideologically biased and rubbishy views which disfigure your blog. Yes, I mean you.
Jeff– “How about including the whole phase, not just a word to support your stance.”
The one word defines the intent of the phrase. I don’t consider occupations of sovereign nations necessary until they are actually a threat. You are misreading the statement if you think it indicates that war was warranted in Iraq.
“You are placing the blame on the US when all saddam could have done is say…Nope, I don’t have them, feel free to look everywhere you want to look.”
He said many times that he had destroyed weapons and inspectors were beginning to realize he was telling the truth. Then Bush(Rove) realized they were going to lose the opportunity to take over an oil rich nation and rushed to war.
“But who gives f***, right?”
Probably the man who is standing somewhere in Iraq right now trying to dig his baby daughter out from under 2000 pounds of concrete.
“Clinton Administration”
And indeed they can and I believe that is because both parties are working together to make a “royalty of wealth” in this nation. Which is also why I am not a Democrat. Democrats have morphed into the conservative party in America. Republicans have morphed into the fascist party. It is the tendancy of the power entity to seek more power. This is seen throughout history. It’s the natural course of government to become authoritarian. The left-wing agenda also leads to authoritarianism because human nature causes the powerful to seek more power. So, in effect, it is the power that is evil and humans who are just reacting according to their animal nature. The is the reason I am a libertarian (or minarchist as Kit calls it). I believe that the government will ruin every good thing it gets it’s hands on. The US founding fathers understood the same thing which is why they made every effort they could to handicap the government, but power has triumphed and authoritarianism is taking hold.
“I know you like Bill Clinton and the Democratic party”
There are things that I like about Bill Clinton. I think he’s a brilliant man, but somewhat twisted by society. He did good things in office. He did bad things in office. He stained the carpet in the Oval Office and that wasn’t the swiftest maneuver. He shouldn’t have lied in court. He should have been a man and told the everyone to mind their own business about his sex life. But, regardless of a party’s agenda, if you plan on enforcing it through authoritarianism, you will never get my vote, even if it means another fascist gets elected to office. I’m not worried. If the free are cornered, they will morph into revolutionaries again and we will start over.
“It takes a pretty closed minded person to just look at the last 4 1/2″
Bush is responsible for everything that has happened while he is in office. My greatest concern is his total disregard for liberty in the pursuit of his agenda. He has now left gaping holes of precedence in our Constitution and I find that unforgivable. But, as I said before, I blame all authoritarians for every hostile condition in America.
“it seems that you’re are really bias against conservative’s”
If the issue were social security instead of the slaughter of innocents, I would lambaste the left. For this forum, indictment of the right is required. My bias is in favor of self-determinate autonomy and that is it.
“I really think you may be a closet liberal”
I really think this is because you have become indoctrinated. I’m not saying that as an isult, but you are failing to see certain truths about our situation here. Either you are being willfully obtuse or you just don’t believe me. I can’t fix either and therefore I make statements to the effect that “you are hopelessly indoctrinated”.
“Now I offically hate them all.”
This is because, as I mentioned before, you are not really a Libertarian. I’m not trying to hurt your feelings, but I recognize the fact that you don’t believe in things that libertarians believe in. It may be that you aren’t aware. It may be that you don’t understand the logic behind the plan. It may be that you are a poser. I have no clue. I don’t hate you because you aren’t a libertarian. If you want to renounce your status as a member of the Libertarian party, you are more than free to do so and because the party collects no dues, it costs you nothing. In fact, because you are willing to leave the Libertarian party just means that you never were one in the first place. You may have thrown a vote to the party on occasion, but what the party needs is people who understand the nature of power and the inevitable harm that it does in everything that it seeks to control. So by renouncing your libertarianism, you have essentially proven my point for me. Thanks! I don’t consider you a loss to the party because we never really had you. You are always welcome back, but if you come back, then I encourage you to research the nature of power, the psychology of mass movement and assimilate some knowledge of the terminology of politics so that you can work as solid member of the party. So, it’s up to you. No biggie.
Heh… yeah, that’s because he’s much smarter than I am and he doesn’t waste his time banging his head against a wall by trying to talk to all of you people like I do. And yes, I am human and yes I want to wring your necks sometimes because you all can be very aggravating. The fact is that EVERYONE here has missed the point of what is going on and that includes both the left– and right-wing contingents which post here.
“You’re no better than Rush Limbwhatever, Ted Kennedy or George Bush and the people who support them.”
Ummm… the people who support them are you and the rest of the right-wing contingent here. And the difference between those people and me is that I don’t want the government to control your life. Or mine. Especially mine.
“Now go and tell him to take his book/plural degree knowlege and save the fucking planet.”
While I won’t divulge Kit’s personal details here, I will say that he actually has a damn fine record of doing just that, one case at a time.
Hank– “like the hones mind of Jon has expressed it”
I was talking to this girl the other day. Nice kid, wife, mother, Christian fundamentalist, etc. And I told her the same thing I’ll tell you. If you support or vote for the fascist party, you are a fascist. You might be nice as pie, but you are still a fascist at least by proxy. I’m sure there were plenty of nice, kind and intelligent Nazis running around Hitler’s Germany. But they were still Nazis.
Jeff– “Help Help…I’m being repressed!”
Of course you are. That’s how you became authority-addicted.
Hank– “I think you must have hurt the feelings of someone with very tender sensibilities and a great love for all humanity”
Who? Me? No, my feelings are fine. You’re just annoying. Yes, I love humanity. I think it’s the best hope for human survival.
Jeff– “I thought you said earlier that people in the military were stupid?”
If you are STILL in the military with the current administration that is in office… there is something wrong with you. Sorry to my former brothers-in-arms, but, trust me, they all already know they are not the brightest bulbs in the box.
“I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all members of the military profession I never had an original thought until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.“
–Major General Smedley Butler, USMC
“Wow bro, you’ve done a complete 360.”
OK, I hope you aren’t going to be overly sensitive while I insult your intelligence, but you’ve left yourself wide open to it. If I did a 360, I have not changed direction. While this is indeed true that I remain steadfast in my position, we all know that’s not what you meant. ;-)
“I’ll leave you here with your new American hating friends.”
Truthfully, I don’t consider you to be someone who loves America. You think you do, but I would guess it has more to do with your love of your comfortable lifestyle and the entertainment value of our government’s antics than anything else. If you actually did love America, you would be engaging in the fight to protect the Constitution from the domestic enemies we have running around all over the place. Because I recognize that these statements are, at least, close to acurate, your opinion of me is of very little interest to me.
“You can sit here and plot our(Americans) deaths”
This is the type of statement that I find crazy-making. I actually consider Michael, Nadia and LadyBird to be endeavoring to save American lives, regardless if that is their intent. And on the other hand, I consider Charles, Hank, CMAR and yourself to be incurring American deaths. The reality of the situation is as I have stated it. I call you indoctrinated because you can only see your side and you are missing obvious points of logic. It’s not (just) your fault that you are indoctrinated. You were cultivated to be this way.
“Article. III. Section. 3.”
If you are accusing me of treason, you are mistaken. Our greatest enemies are currently domestic. My endeavors are to non-violently protect and preserve the Constitution of the US. I consider all those ignoring the destruction of civil rights in this nation to be domestic enemies. Yes, that includes you. But, while hope exists, swords won’t be drawn. At least not by me. I can’t vouch for the anarchists though. Those guys are starting to get a little edgy.
LadyBird– “I would like to recommend that you stop allowing the radical right to waste your money in the furtherance of their cause.”
I should explain why I made this statement. I know there are Republicans in the midst who are using whatever means necessary to disrupt this blogging process and will use all means, regardless of how annoying, to prevent real information from getting out. They pick fights. They malign and and misinform. They do anything they can on the part of their organizations to obfuscate the truth. And they do it here at LadyBird’s expense. By allowing this to happen, she is, in effect, defeating her own purpose.
Jeff– “Censorship is the way to go”
When discourse becomes hostile (or worse), censorship is indeed the way to go, especially if your purpose is being hindered by not censoring.
“propaganda war? Hey, I’m not the one posting pictures of dead babies.”
You, of all people, denying propagandizing. You must think I’m blind.
“And hey, you may pick up more traffic this way as well.”
LadyBird’s agenda, as demonstrated, consists of getting the US out of Iraqi affairs. I’m sure that losing the four or five hostile conservatives in here would not hurt her purpose one bit.
Hank– “Jon now emerges as spokesman for the fascist left.”
Because they are leftist doesn’t make them wrong about everything. The same goes for the right. But we aren’t here criticizing social security and welfare, so I haven’t had the chance to employ right-wing anti-social logic yet. But I have in the past and will in the future. You just don’t understand by political position, so you will easily make those mistaken assumptions.
And another thing, go compare and contrast the two words “socialist” and “fascist” for yourself.
“Now Jon, what do you think about the King of Jordan’s speech?”
Didn’t read it. What did you think of it?
Jeff– “I learned how the Libertarian’s actually think.”
I’m highly doubtful that you have even an inkling of libertarian logic. Maybe over time we can change that. Not sure you’d stick with libertarianism once you find out you’ll have to run your own life though. Takes more character than you’ve demonstrated.
CMAR– “I think you are a liar about being a Libertarian.”
Of course you’d say that. But the true liar is one who speaks of freedom and then commences to slaughtering. (pssst… that’s you)
“I can’t think of a more non-Libertarian statement than this one.”
It’s not Libertarian, it’s strategic. And it’s harmless compared to the strategies you advocate.
“Your answers suggest you didn’t even carefully read what you were responding to.”
That’s quite possible. *snicker* However, your ideology is too inhumane for you to stand any chance of swaying me, so you might as well not even bother. My belief that fascism has taken hold of American society is unshakable and anything you say in defiance is patently wrong. I won’t explain why you’re wrong because you’ve proved yourself unwilling to listen. I can’t say for sure why you exist in this state of denial, but you indeed “fit the profile” (to use your own methods against you).
“Second, you are now interfering and spreading propaganda directly for Al-Qeada in Iraq and helping others with their cause. You have single handly convicted these british soldiers and for that you are now responsible for the deaths and or injuries that result from the tension in the area that you are helping to bring about.”
Now there is a load if I ever read one. I guess if you are going to pull that kind of crap, my definition of you just went from “fascist” to “babykiller”.
“The blood is now on your hands.”
The blood is on everyone’s hands by now.
“Ladymoonbat”
You are quite the gentleman aren’t you? I might as well disregard everything you spew until you can be civil. And I thought it was the French who had no manners.
Pingback: Back to 007 mission :: from www.uruknet.info :: news from occupied Iraq - ch
Pingback: This Fucking War: September 2005