The one word defines the intent of the phrase. I don’t consider occupations of sovereign nations necessary until they are actually a threat. You are misreading the statement if you think it indicates that war was warranted in Iraq.

“You are placing the blame on the US when all saddam could have done is say…Nope, I don’t have them, feel free to look everywhere you want to look.”

He said many times that he had destroyed weapons and inspectors were beginning to realize he was telling the truth. Then Bush(Rove) realized they were going to lose the opportunity to take over an oil rich nation and rushed to war.

“But who gives f***, right?”

Probably the man who is standing somewhere in Iraq right now trying to dig his baby daughter out from under 2000 pounds of concrete.

“Clinton Administration”

And indeed they can and I believe that is because both parties are working together to make a “royalty of wealth” in this nation. Which is also why I am not a Democrat. Democrats have morphed into the conservative party in America. Republicans have morphed into the fascist party. It is the tendancy of the power entity to seek more power. This is seen throughout history. It’s the natural course of government to become authoritarian. The left-wing agenda also leads to authoritarianism because human nature causes the powerful to seek more power. So, in effect, it is the power that is evil and humans who are just reacting according to their animal nature. The is the reason I am a libertarian (or minarchist as Kit calls it). I believe that the government will ruin every good thing it gets it’s hands on. The US founding fathers understood the same thing which is why they made every effort they could to handicap the government, but power has triumphed and authoritarianism is taking hold.

“I know you like Bill Clinton and the Democratic party”

There are things that I like about Bill Clinton. I think he’s a brilliant man, but somewhat twisted by society. He did good things in office. He did bad things in office. He stained the carpet in the Oval Office and that wasn’t the swiftest maneuver. He shouldn’t have lied in court. He should have been a man and told the everyone to mind their own business about his sex life. But, regardless of a party’s agenda, if you plan on enforcing it through authoritarianism, you will never get my vote, even if it means another fascist gets elected to office. I’m not worried. If the free are cornered, they will morph into revolutionaries again and we will start over.

“It takes a pretty closed minded person to just look at the last 4 1/2″

Bush is responsible for everything that has happened while he is in office. My greatest concern is his total disregard for liberty in the pursuit of his agenda. He has now left gaping holes of precedence in our Constitution and I find that unforgivable. But, as I said before, I blame all authoritarians for every hostile condition in America.

“it seems that you’re are really bias against conservative’s”

If the issue were social security instead of the slaughter of innocents, I would lambaste the left. For this forum, indictment of the right is required. My bias is in favor of self-determinate autonomy and that is it.

“I really think you may be a closet liberal”

I really think this is because you have become indoctrinated. I’m not saying that as an isult, but you are failing to see certain truths about our situation here. Either you are being willfully obtuse or you just don’t believe me. I can’t fix either and therefore I make statements to the effect that “you are hopelessly indoctrinated”.

“Now I offically hate them all.”

This is because, as I mentioned before, you are not really a Libertarian. I’m not trying to hurt your feelings, but I recognize the fact that you don’t believe in things that libertarians believe in. It may be that you aren’t aware. It may be that you don’t understand the logic behind the plan. It may be that you are a poser. I have no clue. I don’t hate you because you aren’t a libertarian. If you want to renounce your status as a member of the Libertarian party, you are more than free to do so and because the party collects no dues, it costs you nothing. In fact, because you are willing to leave the Libertarian party just means that you never were one in the first place. You may have thrown a vote to the party on occasion, but what the party needs is people who understand the nature of power and the inevitable harm that it does in everything that it seeks to control. So by renouncing your libertarianism, you have essentially proven my point for me. Thanks! I don’t consider you a loss to the party because we never really had you. You are always welcome back, but if you come back, then I encourage you to research the nature of power, the psychology of mass movement and assimilate some knowledge of the terminology of politics so that you can work as solid member of the party. So, it’s up to you. No biggie.

Heh… yeah, that’s because he’s much smarter than I am and he doesn’t waste his time banging his head against a wall by trying to talk to all of you people like I do. And yes, I am human and yes I want to wring your necks sometimes because you all can be very aggravating. The fact is that EVERYONE here has missed the point of what is going on and that includes both the left– and right-wing contingents which post here.

“You’re no better than Rush Limbwhatever, Ted Kennedy or George Bush and the people who support them.”

Ummm… the people who support them are you and the rest of the right-wing contingent here. And the difference between those people and me is that I don’t want the government to control your life. Or mine. Especially mine.

“Now go and tell him to take his book/plural degree knowlege and save the fucking planet.”

While I won’t divulge Kit’s personal details here, I will say that he actually has a damn fine record of doing just that, one case at a time.

Hank– “like the hones mind of Jon has expressed it”

I was talking to this girl the other day. Nice kid, wife, mother, Christian fundamentalist, etc. And I told her the same thing I’ll tell you. If you support or vote for the fascist party, you are a fascist. You might be nice as pie, but you are still a fascist at least by proxy. I’m sure there were plenty of nice, kind and intelligent Nazis running around Hitler’s Germany. But they were still Nazis.

Jeff– “Help Help…I’m being repressed!”

Of course you are. That’s how you became authority-addicted.

Hank– “I think you must have hurt the feelings of someone with very tender sensibilities and a great love for all humanity”

Who? Me? No, my feelings are fine. You’re just annoying. Yes, I love humanity. I think it’s the best hope for human survival.

Jeff– “I thought you said earlier that people in the military were stupid?”

If you are STILL in the military with the current administration that is in office… there is something wrong with you. Sorry to my former brothers-in-arms, but, trust me, they all already know they are not the brightest bulbs in the box.

“I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all members of the military profession I never had an original thought until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.“
–Major General Smedley Butler, USMC

“Wow bro, you’ve done a complete 360.”

OK, I hope you aren’t going to be overly sensitive while I insult your intelligence, but you’ve left yourself wide open to it. If I did a 360, I have not changed direction. While this is indeed true that I remain steadfast in my position, we all know that’s not what you meant. ;-)

“I’ll leave you here with your new American hating friends.”

Truthfully, I don’t consider you to be someone who loves America. You think you do, but I would guess it has more to do with your love of your comfortable lifestyle and the entertainment value of our government’s antics than anything else. If you actually did love America, you would be engaging in the fight to protect the Constitution from the domestic enemies we have running around all over the place. Because I recognize that these statements are, at least, close to acurate, your opinion of me is of very little interest to me.

“You can sit here and plot our(Americans) deaths”

This is the type of statement that I find crazy-making. I actually consider Michael, Nadia and LadyBird to be endeavoring to save American lives, regardless if that is their intent. And on the other hand, I consider Charles, Hank, CMAR and yourself to be incurring American deaths. The reality of the situation is as I have stated it. I call you indoctrinated because you can only see your side and you are missing obvious points of logic. It’s not (just) your fault that you are indoctrinated. You were cultivated to be this way.

“Article. III. Section. 3.”

If you are accusing me of treason, you are mistaken. Our greatest enemies are currently domestic. My endeavors are to non-violently protect and preserve the Constitution of the US. I consider all those ignoring the destruction of civil rights in this nation to be domestic enemies. Yes, that includes you. But, while hope exists, swords won’t be drawn. At least not by me. I can’t vouch for the anarchists though. Those guys are starting to get a little edgy.

LadyBird– “I would like to recommend that you stop allowing the radical right to waste your money in the furtherance of their cause.”

I should explain why I made this statement. I know there are Republicans in the midst who are using whatever means necessary to disrupt this blogging process and will use all means, regardless of how annoying, to prevent real information from getting out. They pick fights. They malign and and misinform. They do anything they can on the part of their organizations to obfuscate the truth. And they do it here at LadyBird’s expense. By allowing this to happen, she is, in effect, defeating her own purpose.

Jeff– “Censorship is the way to go”

When discourse becomes hostile (or worse), censorship is indeed the way to go, especially if your purpose is being hindered by not censoring.

“propaganda war? Hey, I’m not the one posting pictures of dead babies.”

You, of all people, denying propagandizing. You must think I’m blind.

“And hey, you may pick up more traffic this way as well.”

LadyBird’s agenda, as demonstrated, consists of getting the US out of Iraqi affairs. I’m sure that losing the four or five hostile conservatives in here would not hurt her purpose one bit.

Hank– “Jon now emerges as spokesman for the fascist left.”

Because they are leftist doesn’t make them wrong about everything. The same goes for the right. But we aren’t here criticizing social security and welfare, so I haven’t had the chance to employ right-wing anti-social logic yet. But I have in the past and will in the future. You just don’t understand by political position, so you will easily make those mistaken assumptions.

And another thing, go compare and contrast the two words “socialist” and “fascist” for yourself.

“Now Jon, what do you think about the King of Jordan’s speech?”

Didn’t read it. What did you think of it?

Jeff– “I learned how the Libertarian’s actually think.”

I’m highly doubtful that you have even an inkling of libertarian logic. Maybe over time we can change that. Not sure you’d stick with libertarianism once you find out you’ll have to run your own life though. Takes more character than you’ve demonstrated.

CMAR– “I think you are a liar about being a Libertarian.”

Of course you’d say that. But the true liar is one who speaks of freedom and then commences to slaughtering. (pssst… that’s you)

“I can’t think of a more non-Libertarian statement than this one.”

It’s not Libertarian, it’s strategic. And it’s harmless compared to the strategies you advocate.

“Your answers suggest you didn’t even carefully read what you were responding to.”

That’s quite possible. *snicker* However, your ideology is too inhumane for you to stand any chance of swaying me, so you might as well not even bother. My belief that fascism has taken hold of American society is unshakable and anything you say in defiance is patently wrong. I won’t explain why you’re wrong because you’ve proved yourself unwilling to listen. I can’t say for sure why you exist in this state of denial, but you indeed “fit the profile” (to use your own methods against you).

“Second, you are now interfering and spreading propaganda directly for Al-Qeada in Iraq and helping others with their cause. You have single handly convicted these british soldiers and for that you are now responsible for the deaths and or injuries that result from the tension in the area that you are helping to bring about.”

Now there is a load if I ever read one. I guess if you are going to pull that kind of crap, my definition of you just went from “fascist” to “babykiller”.

“The blood is now on your hands.”

The blood is on everyone’s hands by now.

“Ladymoonbat”

You are quite the gentleman aren’t you? I might as well disregard everything you spew until you can be civil. And I thought it was the French who had no manners.

Wouldn’t you agree, Ladymoonbat, that this is the way to hit hard at terrorists — go for their leaders. The people may obtain peace a lot quicker. Would they become slaves without these thugs comtrolling them? You say at the head of this blog that the people are “cattle”. Why not support this method to get rid of the cowboys who are riding the herd over a cliff. Why do you phony leftists never trust the people? The real cattle who have rings through their noses are the ones who put out the ideologically biased and rubbishy views which disfigure your blog. Yes, I mean you.

Baghdad Dweller reports two British soldiers held by “Iraqi authorities” in Basra (also described as “Shiite militiamen” in the corporate media), and subsequently freed after the British stormed a police jail, were working undercover as bombers. Baghdad Dweller includes a link to the Washington Post, where the following appears: “Iraqi security officials on Monday variously accused the two Britons they detained of shooting at Iraqi forces or trying to plant explosives. Photographs of the two men in custody showed them in civilian clothes.” The Herald notes the following: “Sources say the British soldiers, possibly members of the new Special Reconnaissance Regiment formed earlier this month to provide intelligence for SAS operations, were looking at infiltration of the city’s police by the followers of the outspoken Shi’ite cleric, Moqtada al Sadr,” thus admitting the soldiers worked undercover.

Ladybird, you’re treading on dangerous grounds…

First of all, you’re not even in Iraq.

Second, you are now interfering and spreading propaganda directly for Al-Qeada in Iraq and helping others with their cause. You have single handly convicted these british soldiers and for that you are now responsible for the deaths and or injuries that result from the tension in the area that you are helping to bring about.

The blood is now on your hands.

Welcome to the war.

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