Invading Countries!! which and why?

Posted on October 11, 2005 by Sappho

Invad­ing Countries

Mood for more video’s then I have this Flash for you:

My favourite Abu-Ghraib cutup

Enjoy the videos

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20 Responses to Invading Countries!! which and why?

  1. Charles says:
    October 11, 2005 at 22:11

    Some other cool links for fun:

    abu gharaib = nazi death camp

    US tor­ture worse than Saddam

    US Bad — Free­dom fight­ers good

    Room for R&R

    I’m sure they deserved it

    About to be humiliated

    I’m sure you peo­ple can find more great pics.

    In case you missed the point, its quite obvi­ous to me that the US is just the same as Saddam/Hitler/Stalin, etc.

    Let’s milk this for all its worth people.

    Now go!

  2. LadyBird says:
    October 11, 2005 at 22:24

    it is just the idea that the US jails are com­pared to hitlers jails and tor­ture camps must makes you worry Charles.

  3. Charles says:
    October 11, 2005 at 22:40

    it is just the idea that the US jails are com­pared to hitlers jails and tor­ture camps must makes you worry Charles.

    LB,

    Igno­rant peo­ple can spout off vir­u­lent garbage all they want — and ‘they’ do. The chal­lenge is to present the facts so peo­ple can form an objec­tive opin­ion. You obvi­ously have no inter­est in objectivity.

    Those US sol­diers did some sadis­tic things and they will be pun­ished. Other US sol­diers have done sim­i­lar things and prob­a­bly worse. Dur­ing war (in gen­eral), and in the imme­di­ate after­math or dur­ing bat­tles, emo­tions run high and atroc­i­ties are com­mit­ted. Do you blame indi­vid­ual sol­diers for los­ing con­trol? Yes. Do you blame their offi­cers for not exer­cis­ing more lead­er­ship? Yes. Do you blame the gov­ern­ment for not pro­vid­ing stricter reg­u­la­tions? Yes. You can do all of those things and hold peo­ple respon­si­ble with­out hyper­boliz­ing the issue and com­par­ing those bad actions/decisions with the delib­er­ate mur­der, tor­ture, and exter­mi­na­tion of inno­cent peo­ple ‘for its own sake.’

    Sad­dam, Hitler, Stalin, and yes your dear free­dom fight­ers are engaged in delib­er­ate whole­sale slaughter.

    Saddam/Hitler/Stalin/Iraqi Free­dom fight­ers had poli­cies of mass tor­ture and mur­der and killed and maimed mil­lions. They didn’t just sim­u­late tor­ture — they did it. They didn’t just scare peo­ple — they sliced off their heads and gassed them.

    Peo­ple like you try to present it as the same thing. It isn’t. You either don’t see the dif­fer­ence, or you have an agenda to pro­vide misinformation.

  4. Nadia_4iraqis says:
    October 11, 2005 at 23:06

    The movie at http://www.wimp.com/invading/ they did not even know they were tar­get­ing Australia’s main­land and Tas­ma­nia?!!! It’s absolutely fright­en­ing to know that these igno­rant peo­ple are decid­ing the fate of the world today.

    I am send­ing this to my friends down under and to some more around the world. Thanks LadyBird!

  5. Charles says:
    October 11, 2005 at 23:35

    I’m sure it never occurred to any­one that the clips might be heav­ily edited or staged — right?

    Do you really beleive that 100% of the peo­ple he asked did not know the loca­tion of AUS?

    Sure, we have our share of dopes — but don’t they exist everywhere?

    In any case, I pre­fer harm­less dopes to insane head loppers.

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  7. Jon says:
    October 12, 2005 at 01:53

    Charles– “You obvi­ously have no inter­est in objectivity.”

    Well… that makes two of you.

    “Peo­ple like you try to present it as the same thing. It isn’t.”

    Actu­ally… it is. You are quib­bling over degrees.

    “In any case, I pre­fer harm­less dopes to insane head loppers.”

    Your idea of harm­less is some­what dif­fer­ent than mine.

  8. Jon says:
    October 12, 2005 at 02:16

    Hope for the Iraqi Constitution

    A deal struck in last-minute talks Tues­day night between a major Sunni Arab party and the Shiite-Kurd coali­tion could aid approval of the pro­posed Iraq con­sti­tu­tion this week­end, sources involved in the talks told CNN.

    The deal involves chang­ing the con­sti­tu­tion to remove the de-Baathification process — an effort to elim­i­nate ves­tiges of ousted leader Sad­dam Hussein’s Baath party — the sources said.

    In return, the Iraq Islamic Party indi­cated it would with­draw its oppo­si­tion to the doc­u­ment to be voted on Sat­ur­day in a nation­wide ref­er­en­dum, accord­ing to the sources.

    The goal of Iraqi lead­ers and their allies has been to cre­ate a con­sti­tu­tion widely backed by all sec­tors of society.

    Insur­gent Vio­lence on the Rise
    Iraqi and U.S. offi­cials have pre­dicted that insur­gent vio­lence will surge in the days lead­ing to the ref­er­en­dum in an effort to keep vot­ers from the polls.

    A sui­cide car bomb killed 30 peo­ple and wounded 45 Tues­day in a busy mar­ket­place in the north­ern city of Tal Afar, the worst in a series of attacks four days before the referendum.

    In a sep­a­rate attack Tues­day in Bagh­dad, a sui­cide car bomb whose tar­get was an Iraqi army con­voy killed at least four peo­ple near a gas sta­tion in the west­ern neigh­bor­hood of Amiriya, police said. Ear­lier, police said the Iraqi army reported at least 20 dead.

    In the north­ern city of Mosul, two sui­cide car bomb attacks hit within a half-hour of each other Tuesday.

    In other vio­lence Tues­day, gun­men opened fire on a taxi in the south­ern Bagh­dad neigh­bor­hood of Dora, killing two police­women and the dri­ver, a Bagh­dad police offi­cial said.

    Ear­lier in the same neigh­bor­hood, a remote-controlled car bomb attack on an Iraqi police patrol wounded two police­men and a civil­ian, the police offi­cial said.

    In east­ern Bagh­dad, a road­side bomb wounded two civil­ians near Al-Sha’ab soc­cer sta­dium Tues­day morn­ing, the police offi­cial said.

    Else­where in east­ern Bagh­dad, nine police com­man­dos were wounded when gun­men attacked their patrol in the Ghadeer dis­trict, the offi­cial said.

    In the same dis­trict, attack­ers hit the con­voy of Iraq’s inte­rior min­is­ter with a home­made bomb, wound­ing three secu­rity guards, the police offi­cial said. It was not known if the min­is­ter was in the con­voy, the offi­cial said.

    A car bomb killed a U.S. sol­dier Mon­day out­side a check­point near the Inter­na­tional Zone. Ini­tial reports indi­cated an Iraqi sol­dier, an inter­preter and an Iraqi civil­ian were wounded in the blast. The death brought the num­ber of U.S. troops killed since the start of the Iraq war to 1,963.

  9. Jon says:
    October 12, 2005 at 02:28

    Iraqi Islamic Party to Sup­port New Constitution

    One of Iraq’s main Sunni Arab polit­i­cal groups, the Iraqi Islamic Party, has decided to sup­port the new con­sti­tu­tion at this week’s ref­er­en­dum after win­ning con­ces­sions from rival groups, a party source says.

    The party source said after a day of meet­ings with lead­ers from the rul­ing Shia and Kur­dish coali­tion: “Some of our demands were met so the party has endorsed the con­sti­tu­tion and is urg­ing peo­ple to vote ‘Yes’.”

    “There’s a basic agree­ment to amend the con­sti­tu­tion,” he said. “They are now look­ing at what points to review.”

    Ayad al-Samarraie of the Iraqi Islamic Party, said that if the cur­rent par­lia­ment approves the mea­sure, “we will stop the cam­paign reject­ing the con­sti­tu­tion and we will call on Sunni Arabs to vote yes”.

    The Shia deputy speaker of par­lia­ment, Hus­sain Shahris­tani, said he expected Sunni Arabs, who mostly boy­cotted a Jan­u­ary elec­tion that then sapped their power to influ­ence nego­ti­a­tions on the con­sti­tu­tion in par­lia­ment, to take part in large num­bers in a gen­eral elec­tion expected on 15 December.

    An influ­en­tial Sunni Mus­lim group on Tues­day said it was ready to take part in a national rec­on­cil­i­a­tion con­fer­ence called for by the Arab League but stip­u­lated conditions.

    The sec­re­tary gen­eral of the Asso­ci­a­tion of Mus­lim Schol­ars, Sheikh Harith al-Dhari, after meet­ing with the Arab League del­e­ga­tion, listed the group’s con­di­tions as a timetable for the pull­out of for­eign forces, a def­i­n­i­tion of ter­ror­ism and recog­ni­tion of the Iraqi resis­tance and an effort to rein­state the Iraqi army.

  10. Charles says:
    October 12, 2005 at 02:44

    Jon,

    “MU”

    You are quib­bling over degrees.

    Equat­ing bod­ies stacked like cord­wood and dumped in mass graves by the tens of thou­sands, with the coerced adorn­ment of wom­ens panties is not a slight dif­fer­ence in degrees Jon.

    You are try­ing to com­pare the despi­ca­ble behav­ior of cer­tain indi­vid­u­als in high pres­sure envi­ron­ments to the sys­tem­atic, state sanc­tioned slaugh­ter of thou­sands of people.

    Your idea of harm­less is some­what dif­fer­ent than mine.

    That video was obvi­ously a heav­ily edited pro­pa­ganda piece and yes it was quite funny.

    Do you actu­ally know ANY amer­i­cans who can­not locate Aus­tralia on the map? Honestly.

    Notwith­stand­ing your snide remarks, I am quite sure you would pre­fer to be in close quar­ter com­pany with that old home­less black man in the video, rather than one of the ‘free­dom fight­ers’ (in one of his videos). How­ever much you may pre­tend to not under­stand the dif­fer­ence, when the moment came you can bet that nei­ther you nor Mr. Allah Akhbar would be con­cerned with humor­ous asides.

  11. Jon says:
    October 12, 2005 at 02:46

    Sad­dam to Vote on Constitution

    Sad­dam Hus­sein, the for­mer Iraqi dic­ta­tor, will have the right to vote in this week’s ref­er­en­dum on his country’s new demo­c­ra­tic constitution.

    Abdul Hus­sein Hin­dawi, one of the eight highest-ranking offi­cials on the Inde­pen­dent Elec­toral Com­mis­sion in Iraq, said: “All non-convicted detainees have the right to vote. That includes Sad­dam and other for­mer gov­ern­ment offi­cials. They will vote.”

    If that was the case “Sad­dam will find out for the first time how to vote”, he added.

    By coin­ci­dence, the ref­er­en­dum on the con­sti­tu­tion is being held three years to the day since Sad­dam was re-elected unop­posed as Pres­i­dent, in a ref­er­en­dum in which he gath­ered an impres­sive 100 per cent of the vote. Less than a year later he was deposed by the US-led invasion.

  12. madtom says:
    October 12, 2005 at 05:43

    “In case you missed the point, its quite obvi­ous to me that the US is just the same as Saddam/Hitler/Stalin, etc.”

    Move to Cuba and find out for sure.

  13. Jon says:
    October 12, 2005 at 05:50

    Charles– “with the coerced adorn­ment of wom­ens panties is not a slight dif­fer­ence in degrees”

    That the dif­fer­ence is slight is just a mat­ter of opin­ion. You may be right, but that doesn’t mat­ter. I would be hard-pressed to find any­thing that would have done the coali­tion more dam­age than the sex­ual assault of pris­on­ers. You are con­stantly for­get­ting that your impres­sion of what is hap­pen­ing in Iraq is of no con­se­quence. It is all about the Iraqi view of the sit­u­a­tion. You are lack­ing sen­si­tiv­ity towards Arab and Mus­lim cul­ture. It is a holier-than-thou atti­tude you are tak­ing when you say it is not as bad or try to jus­tify the actions of the perpetrators.

    “You are try­ing to com­pare the despi­ca­ble behavior”

    Your prob­lem is that you are try­ing not to see the com­par­i­son, but the com­par­i­son is valid.

    “Do you actu­ally know ANY amer­i­cans who can­not locate Aus­tralia on the map? Honestly.”

    Buddy… I have been asked on more than one occa­sion as to which state Ver­mont is in. If it took me more than five min­utes to find five peo­ple who can’t locate Aus­tralia, I would be suprised. You should watch Street Smarts some­time. It’s pitiful.

    “I am quite sure you would pre­fer to be in close quar­ter company”

    “My ass might be dumb, but I ain’t no dum­b­ass.“
    –Ordell Rob­bie in Jackie Brown

    I’m not wor­ried. You won’t be find­ing my dumb ass in Iraq on check­point detail where Mr. Akhbar can find me because I ain’t no dum­b­ass. In fact, until the US invaded Iraq, I had never seen an Amer­i­can beheaded by an Islamic extrem­ist. It’s strange how that happened.

  14. Charles says:
    October 12, 2005 at 06:00

    You may be right, but that doesn’t matter.

    Um. What­ever.

    Angry­Tom,

    Move to Cuba and find out for sure.

    If I wrote that it must have been sarcasm.

  15. Nadia_4iraqis says:
    October 12, 2005 at 10:36

    Charles wrote “Sure, we have our share of dopes — but don’t they exist everywhere?”

  16. Charles says:
    October 12, 2005 at 16:35

    I’ll take my dopes over Chi­nese (Russ­ian, um, Tal­iban, um, etc.)dopes any day.

  17. Nadia_4iraqis says:
    October 12, 2005 at 19:35

    Well I spoke to my Chicago friend the other day and he sees it that it is these peo­ple who are destroy­ing the U.S, not the Chi­nese, not the Rus­sians, not the Tal­ibans or Arabs, its igno­rant U.S folks who are destroy­ing it.

  18. Charles says:
    October 12, 2005 at 20:37

    Well I spoke to my Chicago friend the other day and he sees it that it is these peo­ple who are destroy­ing the U.S, not the Chi­nese, not the Rus­sians, not the Tal­ibans or Arabs, its igno­rant U.S folks who are destroy­ing it.

    I know, just last week I saw a mob of sev­eral hun­dred of them ram­pag­ing through the streets, killing inocents, and destroy­ing prop­erty. Pretty soon the US as we know it will be destroyed entirely. Its such a shame…

  19. Jon says:
    October 15, 2005 at 12:13

    “Pretty soon the US as we know it will be destroyed entirely.”

    Or well be up to our great-grandkids eye­balls in debt.

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