–4th Update–
Sadr city 50 people only voted “YES”
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–3rd Update–
It seems that Condoleezza Rice knows the results before it’s official announcement:
Iraq constitution ‘probably passed’: Rice
“There is a belief that is has probably passed. But again, we’ll see,”
And to all the people who said: “
Rice: Iraq to Remain Violent Despite Vote
‘I have no doubt that the terrorists are going to continue to try to derail the political process, but they’ve failed every time they’ve tried to derail it,”
–End 3rd Update–
–2nd Update–
Mutlak
Four provinces voted “NO”
–End 2nd Update–
–Update–
Bless Father and Mother they voted “NO” also ((I had no previous discussion about the matter before), It is well confirmed that two provinces (Sala-Din and Anbar) voted “NO” and we are waiting just for one province (Musol or Dyala) to reject the constitution and ends up in the bin.
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ent a big boost, and this is the future you are trying to make.
Before we start this there is there is a very good Iraqi provinces and cities consensus so you can use it as a reference:
In Anbar province, inhabitants of Middle size cities as: Haditha, A’ana, Rawa, He’et and Baghdadi , wee dwelling the streets searching of voting centers which they couldn’t find in their cities.
In city Dyala
In <a href=“http://www.iraq4allnews.dk/viewnews.php?id=98123″”>Sala-Din
The turn out of Iraqi Christians was very low, 35% from registered voters, Chrisan religiouse leaders showed their disagreement with this constitution by urging their minority members to
In Najaf 55% “YES” and 45% “NO”.
I have no power, I have had no water for three days, I live in the harshest conditions I have ever known, Can you tell me any reason I should vote yes?
Baghdad still tricky, the turn out was very low, most of Baghdadis are seculars and they don’t want to see an Islamic government but I think they are the same people who didn’t show up because they just feedup.
At least one Arabic website said that Saddam voted “NO”.
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It doesn’t matter if Iraqis voted yes or no!
Straw woaman The Kurds and Shiites are finally free and have a bright future. No longer do the Sunni Baathist criminals and terrorists have possibilty of controling their destiny as before. The sunnis Bs are a bunch of minority losers hoping to be on top again. NO WAY JOSE! You lost, and it’s OVER. The new civilized Iraqi’s gov. is getting way stronger everyday!!
You and abu jon asshati, Kled Bach..the loon with mantits, Badia, and McCheesey can seethe, wish hard, pray hard, support the terrorists or hold your breath..it doens’t matter..IT“S OVER!!
You are right on that there were people who actively supported Saddam, inside Iraq and outside. You have already mentioned there were active supporters of sunnis, what is your opinion of Iraqis who were shiia and active supporters of Saddam?
What is your opinion of Kurdish Iraqis who actively supported Saddam?
What is your opinion of Christians who actively supported Saddam?
What is your opinion of all the U.S companies who were doing business with Saddam’s government?
What is your opinion of Bush support to the religious dictator in Saudi Arabia?
And what is your opinion about that the Blair government is selling huge amount of weapons to the religious dictator of Saudi Arabia?
Please answer these questions because I need to understand how this passion of yours to us Iraqis came about?
With forums and comment sections on the Internet like these we have no idea with whom we are debating or chatting to. Which means right now you could be an Iraqi from Basrah who have had his parents killed by Saddam and feel it’s nobodies business to know. Since I have no idea of knowing, that is why understanding each other can only come from asking questions and hoping I will get an answer back that will make things clearer for me.
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LadyBird here is a link to the comment section for a documentary shown on the Australian TV about “Inside Indonesia’s War on Terror”, the trascript is not there yet. However the comments give a good idea what the viewers have seen:
http://news.sbs.com.au/dateline/index.php?page=guestbook
Wow Nadia
Great find, thank you
LadyBird, I first read about it at http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/.
Years ago when I lived in Australia I used to see Dateline on TV it is a very good show. Nowadays living in Sweden I visit the Internet site once a month to see whats new.
By the way LadyBird, I’ll start using Nadia once again :) until the other Nadia makes comments again.
Cheers/ Nadia :)
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LadyBird i found the transcript on another site!
Thank you,
You are doing a great job, providing me with these readings, I will read it tomorrow morning, (my boss is on vacation )
Ladybird, you really don’t get it, do you?
Just the ACT of VOTING was a victory. It was a slap in the face of the terrorists who wanted to stop the referendum.
At this point, it doesn’t matter whether the Constitution was voted “for” (“it isn’t perfect, but we can fix it later”) or “against” (“it isn’t perfect, so let’s fix it before we vote for ir), the situation is a win-win.
The terrorists had their faces slapped. The courageous people of Iraq went out and voted in spite of threats from Al Qaeda. THAT is the victory Sec. Rice was talking about.
Ladybird,
My Arabic is rusty. Where does Mutlak say that 4 governates have carried the 2/3 NO threshold?
Accoding to the first counting, only two of the governates have voted NO.
There are, as you know, four provinces in which Sunni Arabs live in large numbers.
Anbar (Ramadi)
Saladahhin (Tikrit)
Nineveh (Mosul)
Diyala (Baqubah)
As expected, it looks like Anbar and Saladahhin will carry the 2/3 threshold.
Nineveh and Diyala will not.
DIYALA (Baqouba)
— Yes: 280,000 (70 percent)
— No: 80,000 (20 percent)
— Disqualified votes: 40,000 (10 percent)
— Votes counted: All 400,000 votes counted. (57 percent turnout)
NINEVAH (Mosul)
— Yes: 326,774, (78 percent)
— No: 90,065, (21 percent)
— Disqualified votes: 2,965 (less than 1 percent)
— Votes counted: 419,804 votes, from 475 of the 500 polling stations counted so far. (Turnout percentage unknown.)
Therefore, it seems as if the referendum will pass.
*
Ha ha ha ha. Ladysweetie, I think Condi
has something called Polling Data, Statistics, and Demographics. No
Arab parallel Universe Ladybird-Nadia-Michael-Jon conspiracies ar work
Now, what we all like to know is where you got your info about the four provinces voting against the Charter, since most news sources are reporting that the Constitution is likely to pass
by a large margin?
Iraq Charter Seems Assured of Approval
And there you have it…
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Excellent point…This is great news, now the US can focus on getting out of there and let the sand people enjoy their sand once again. This time a little more free than before.
Al-Qaida Elusive on the Net
An American-led military invasion of Afghanistan took just months to uproot al-Qaida from the rocky slopes of Tora Bora and the White Mountains.
But nearly four years later, even the combined might of the United States and its allies have had a far more difficult time scouring the Internet for the shadowy network of Islamic fundamentalists. The British government’s announcement in July that it planned to clamp down on people who run Web sites that incite terrorism has had no noticeable results to date.
“For al-Qaida, the survival of the ideology is a lot more important than the survival of any of their physical assets or members, and the Internet is a way to ensure the propagation of that ideology,” said Rebecca Givner-Forbes, an analyst for the Terrorism Research Center, which provides research services to the federal government.
During the past few years, according to terrorism analysts, al-Qaida has embraced the Internet as a new tool for organizing, training and propagandizing. A group believed to be al-Qaida’s Web-based propaganda arm recently debuted a weekly state-of-affairs Webcast and is reportedly searching online for recruits to aid with the coverage–meaning that the group will need to find more hijacked computers to distribute the additional content.
US and UK Threaten Iran
Britain and the US issued a fresh warning to Iran over its suspected support for Iraqi insurgents yesterday as Tony Blair and the US secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, met for talks at Chequers.
“What we have presented to the Iranians is evidence which, in our judgment, clearly links the improvised explosive devices which have been used against British and other troops, mainly in the south of Iraq, to Hizbullah and to Iran,” the foreign secretary, Jack Straw, told BBC Radio. “We look to the Iranians to desist from anything that they have been involved in in the past, and also to use their very considerable influence with Hizbullah to ensure that this continued use of Hizbullah technology stops in Iraq.”
Iran has denied the charges. “We have already rejected categorically any link between Iran and the incidents that have taken place in Iraq for the British troops. There is not any kind of direct or indirect connection with Iran,” Seyed Mohammad Adeli, the Iranian ambassador in London told BBC Radio 4’s The World This Weekend.
In what appeared to be a tit-for-tat claim, sections of the Iranian state media blamed Britain for two fatal explosions in south-western Iran on Saturday.
Constitution a Shoo-In
Iraq’s constitution seems assured of passage despite strong opposition from Sunni Arabs who turned out in surprisingly high numbers in an effort to stop it.
The constitution’s apparent victory was muted, though, by the prospect that the vote result might divide the country further.
Some Sunni Arab leaders of the “no” campaign decried the reported results and insisted their figures showed the constitution’s defeat, though they did not cite exact numbers. Some accused the US of interfering in the results.
You forgot something… ;-)
Russians help Iran with missile threat to Europe
Former members of the Russian military have been secretly helping Iran to acquire technology needed to produce missiles capable of striking European capitals.
The Russians are acting as go-betweens with North Korea as part of a multi-million pound deal they negotiated between Teheran and Pyongyang in 2003. It has enabled Teheran to receive regular clandestine shipments of top secret missile technology, believed to be channelled through Russia.
Western intelligence officials believe that the technology will enable Iran to complete development of a missile with a range of 2,200 miles, capable of hitting much of Europe. It is designed to carry a 1.2-ton payload, sufficient for a basic nuclear device.
LOL! yep, and this site is proof of that!
Let’s see…
Abu-Ladybird, Abu-Michael, Abu-Jon, etc.
Yep, it’s true…
Jeff– “You forgot something…”
Just posting articles… feel free to join in.
“LOL! yep, and this site is proof of that!”
I thought you’d like that. ;-)
“Abu-Ladybird, Abu-Michael, Abu-Jon, etc.”
Hey! You forgot Abu-Ghraib!
“Russians help Iran with missile threat to Europe”
BTW… If they were serious about stopping Iran’s development of nukes, the EU just needs to offer Iran a defense pact against the time when the US comes invading.
Cheney Involved in Plamegate?
A special counsel is focusing on whether Vice President Dick Cheney played a role in leaking a covert CIA agent’s name, according to people familiar with the probe that already threatens top White House aides Karl Rove and Lewis Libby.
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Cheney May Be Entangled in CIA Leak Investigation, People Say
Oct. 17 (Bloomberg) — A special counsel is focusing on whether Vice President Dick Cheney played a role in leaking a covert CIA agent’s name, according to people familiar with the probe that already threatens top White House aides Karl Rove and Lewis Libby.
The special counsel, Patrick Fitzgerald, has questioned current and former officials of President George W. Bush’s administration about whether Cheney was involved in an effort to discredit the agent’s husband, Iraq war critic and former U.S. diplomat Joseph Wilson, according to the people.
Fitzgerald has questioned Cheney’s communications adviser Catherine Martin and former spokeswoman Jennifer Millerwise and ex-White House aide Jim Wilkinson about the vice president’s knowledge of the anti-Wilson campaign and his dealings on it with Libby, his chief of staff, the people said. The information came from multiple sources, who requested anonymity because of the secrecy and political sensitivity of the investigation.
New York Times reporter Judith Miller, who has now testified twice before a federal grand jury probing the case after spending 85 days in jail for refusing to cooperate with Fitzgerald, wrote in yesterday’s New York Times that Fitzgerald asked her whether the vice president “had known what his chief aide,” Libby, “was doing and saying” regarding Wilson, a critic of the war in Iraq.
Fitzgerald has told lawyers involved in the case that the outcome will involve serious criminal charges.
The charges could range from a broad conspiracy case to more narrowly drawn indictments for obstruction of justice or perjury, according to lawyers involved in the case. Charges are considered less likely on the law that initially triggered Fitzgerald’s probe, which makes it illegal to deliberately unmask an undercover intelligence agent, because of the difficulty in meeting that statute’s exacting standards for prosecution.
While there have been virtually no leaks out of Fitzgerald’s office, and even the subjects of his investigation are unsure about his intentions, White House officials and Bush supporters are fearful that recent developments spell legal jeopardy for Rove, the central strategist behind Bush’s political campaigns and much of his presidency, and Libby, a key architect of the Iraq war strategy.
Wealth Polarization and Authoritarianism
…along with increasing wealth polarisation in the US we should expect to see signs of growing authoritarianism. This hypothesis is confirmed by numerous facts, including the following: continuing growth of an “imperial presidency” (concentration of political power); extralegal operations by the executive branch (e.g. the Iran-Contra scandal, the Grenada and Panama invasions); skyrocketing incarceration rates; more official secrecy and censorship; the rise of the Far Right; more police and prisons; FBI requests for massive wiretapping capability; and so on. Public support for draconian measures to deal with crime reflect the increasingly authoritarian mood of citizens beginning to panic in the face of an ongoing social breakdown, which has been brought about, quite simply, by ruling-class greed that has gotten out of hand — a fact that is carefully obscured by the media…
I was suprised to find photographic proof that Jeff, Charles and CMAR actually did go to school and thought I’d share it.
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/images/salute2.jpg
This is not what I would normally expect to find on a conservative website…
Hunger for Dictatorship
Look at that! Jon is still calling anyone who disagrees with him a nazi. How original. When he turns 13 this month he will learn a new word.
Ladybird,
Usually, when someone says “it doesn’t matter” about an election, they say it out of cyncism. In my case, I say it because either choice has such excellent opportunities for Iraq:
Yes — Sunni Arabs who have been sitting on the fence about the new Iraq will see that they can get what they want by voting. It will permit another shot at a constitution with elected Sunnis involved in the process.
No — Iraqis will move closer to running their own affairs. The “occupiers” will be that much closer to leaving. Those who were hoping to keep Iraq “off-balance” and those who were looking for a reason to declare a “defeat” for Iraq will lose.
YES or NO, it wouldn’t make much of a difference for the constitution. There would still be federalism and Iraq would not be declared an “Arab” state because that is a deal-breaker for the Kurds. There would still be a reference to Islam because the Sunnis are hardly less Islamic than the Shi’a (a strengthening of the Islamic language might even occur with the Sunnis more involved). Maybe a bill of rights protecting women’s rights would occur…maybe. I’m not so sure about that. If it could, then it will be possible when the new government is elected.
CMAR– “Jon is still calling anyone who disagrees with him a nazi.”
Yeah and you are still use the term “terrorist” to describe the babies being blown up by the US in Iraq. Somehow your criticism fails to disturb me.
“I say it because either choice has such excellent opportunities for Iraq:”
I doubt that, but if you want the US out of Iraq more rapidly, adopt the constitution and revise it later.
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