The Second French Revolution

Posted on November 8, 2005 by Sappho

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Take my words, if you really want a good news reports, shows you the real sit­u­a­tion as it is with­out bias to any side then it is the Bel­gium TV, A very good qual­ity TV report­ing.
Just an hour ago, there was a very good report about France riots, an inter­view with few teenagers who par­tic­i­pated in the burnings.

They said they will take the riots to a sec­ond stage by burn­ing offi­cial state’s build­ings and they will never stop until the gov­ern­ment makes some improve­ment in the mis­ery sit­u­a­tion in these neighborhoods.

They are com­mu­ni­cat­ing through Blogs, for exam­ple some­one sends a photo of his street of dis­trict on a Blog and that means you peo­ple can start here.

They are not orga­nized, they said if they are orga­nized, their cause will be more effec­tive but it is dan­ger­ous because maybe it will bloodier.

There was also an inter­view with some non-Muslim Africans par­tic­i­pated in the riots, all the peo­ple on the inter­view said the same thing, they said few hun­dred years ago and the cir­cum­stances it was the start of the French revolution.

The reporter went to a court to see who process there is been dealt with, he reported that the court start from 4 o’clock in the morn­ing max­i­mum time for every case is 30 min­utes, no more, the reporter wit­nesses two cases, he said the judge let both sides speak freely.

on the BBC there is a very good arti­cle on the same sub­ject “French blog­gers at odds over riots”,

French youths have been turn­ing to weblogs to express their anger and frus­tra­tion over the vio­lence that has hit some of the country’s poor­est suburbs.…Tribute web­site Bouns93 gath­ered 1,700 com­ments from read­ers before it was shut down by its host for not fol­low­ing regulations.

Another, Banlieue93, has elicited more than 300 responses to its post call­ing for read­ers to pay their respects to the two teenagers

And this is a good read­ing also

France: rage of the poor

Image above of a burned McDon­ald in Paris.

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  2. Jeff says:
    November 9, 2005 at 04:32

    care­ful what you say lady­bird, someone’s watch­ing you…

    Paris Pros­e­cu­tors Eye Blogs Urg­ing Riots

    Paris pros­e­cu­tors opened an inquiry Tues­day into two young blog­gers who urged French youths to riot and revolt against the police, a judi­cial offi­cial said.

    The youths, a 16-year-old French teen and an 18-year-old with Ghan­ian nation­al­ity, were detained Mon­day in the Paris region, said the official.

    They were to be placed under inves­ti­ga­tion, a step short of for­mal charges, for incit­ing harm to peo­ple and prop­erty over the Inter­net, said the offi­cial, who spoke on con­di­tion of anonymity because French law bars the dis­clo­sure of infor­ma­tion from ongo­ing inquiries. Con­vic­tion on the charge could carry a sen­tence of up to five years in prison and a $52,800 fine.

    …and it’s not the United States gov­ern­ment. ;-) It’s your favorite vaca­tion spot government.

  3. Jon says:
    November 9, 2005 at 07:49

    Lady­Bird– “they will never stop until the gov­ern­ment makes some improve­ment in the mis­ery situation”

    The gov­ern­ment action on this mat­ter should be lim­ited to the restric­tion on harass­ment and abuse of that sec­tor of soci­ety. If these peo­ple expect more than that, they are ask­ing more than they should. If they want their cir­cum­stances to improve, then they need to get out and find jobs, build busi­nesses and seek edu­ca­tion and then prove them­selves to be first class cit­i­zens by mak­ing valu­able con­tri­bu­tions to their soci­eties. If their agenda con­sists of extort­ing a bet­ter wel­fare pack­age out of the gov­ern­ment, then they only deserve to be clubbed into sub­mis­sion by the cops.

    I would like more infor­ma­tion on how this sit­u­a­tion came into being all of a sud­den. From what I can gather, the Islamic com­mu­nity in France has been harassed by the law enforce­ment com­mu­nity to the extent that they are stopped, searched and ID’d on a reg­u­lar basis sim­ply for being Mus­lim. We’ve seen this same type of vio­lent reac­tion in the African-American com­mu­ni­ties here in the US. When a sim­mer­ing com­mu­nity faces a shock such as the elec­tro­cu­tion deaths of two teens who were try­ing to evade the police, it seems to be human nature for that com­mu­nity to react with rage and lash out against what­ever tar­gets it can quan­tify under the label “soci­ety”. What I ques­tion is the meth­ods they are using. Lady­Bird makes the point that there is no lead­er­ship on the Mus­lim side of this strug­gle and that might be the crux of the prob­lem. It is my belief that peace­ful demon­stra­tion is likely to be a much more effec­tive method for progress and will tend to win more out­siders to your cause. In order to turn this into a peace­ful strug­gle though, you need a Ghandi to step for­ward and denounce the vio­lence on behalf of the Mus­lim com­mu­nity and then act as a peace­ful guide for the frus­tra­tions of that com­mu­nity. When you blindly lash out with vio­lence, you prob­a­bly hurt your cause more than help because you will end up sour­ing peo­ple who prob­a­bly would have been sym­pa­thetic if they had just been more aware of your suf­fer­ing before­hand. It would behoove the French Mus­lims to exalt some­one just for the nar­row pur­pose of giv­ing their com­mu­nity a voice. When an entity, indi­vid­ual or group, can­not express them­selves vocally, their only other choice is to “act out”.

    I find it odd that Amer­i­cans come to this site and make fun of and crit­i­cize this behav­ior when Amer­i­cans have behaved in this exact man­ner in reac­tion to the attacks of 9/11. After the 9/11 attacks, Amer­ica had the sym­pa­thy of the world to include the great­est part of the Islamic world (believe it or not). The attack on Afghanistan was viewed as com­pletely jus­ti­fied by the bulk of the world. But, lack­ing even-handed lead­er­ship, the US took their reac­tion one step fur­ther. We found out after 9/11 that most of our attack­ers were Saudi Arabs and this cre­ated a prob­lem. Saudi Ara­bia is a US ally and, even more impor­tantly, they have some­thing that the US really, really wants and the Saudis (to be read as “the Saudi royal fam­ily”) were giv­ing us a good deal on this product.

    It is dif­fi­cult to say why US lead­er­ship reacted the way it did and launched a war of aggres­sion on Iraq. Either the Bush admin­is­tra­tion was pan­der­ing to pub­lic opin­ion or they were tak­ing advan­tage of the anger of the cit­i­zenry to exert influ­ence over an Iraqi resource we wanted and had no con­trol over. Regard­less of the rea­son, instead of tak­ing vengeance on the actual source of the attacks against the US, we did what prob­a­bly appears to be the next best thing by launch­ing a shock and awe cam­paign against Saudi’s nextdoor neigh­bor. I think the Bush admin­is­tra­tion knew for cer­tain before our attack on Iraq, but now we all know for cer­tain, that Iraq was no threat to us and the evi­dence against Iraq was con­trived. The rea­son Bush and com­pany has got­ten away with this crime is because Sad­dam Hus­sein is really easy to demo­nize and drum up sup­port against in the US.

    An Amer­i­can crit­i­ciz­ing the French Mus­lims for lash­ing out in rage is ludi­crous to me because Amer­ica as a whole has done this very thing. We have gone out and attacked in response to 9/11 (deny it all you want Charles, we all know this to be true) a nation which had absolutely no involve­ment in 9/11. Bush man­aged to use a color-coded nuclear scare tac­tic against the pub­lic to drum up enough pub­lic sup­port to jus­tify his attack and now the only ques­tion is why. My per­sonal opin­ion is that he and his cronies are low, greedy bas­tards. The fact that Bush is an oil­man does not really help his case either.

    The solu­tion, which I know sounds way too sim­ple, is for every­one to chill the heck out. All aggres­sions which can be ceased on every side should be ceased and then the after­shocks should be suf­fered and con­demned. All troops should be with­drawn and a vig­i­lant sta­tus should be adopted to mit­i­gate what­ever dam­age which can be mitigated.

    It is to the advan­tage of those in the US prof­it­ing from oil, weapons, auto­mo­biles, plas­tics and much more to main­tain a con­tin­u­ous state of war in Iraq so that the US can main­tain influ­ence over the oil being extracted there. What those who are still sane need to do is come out in the most aggres­sively vocal man­ner pos­si­ble to do what­ever needs to be done in order to end this war. Will there be fur­ther suf­fer­ing? Yes. Will the US prob­a­bly be attacked again? Most likely. But that is what it takes when you are going to assert your­self as a world leader and “the big­ger man”.

    The US is a strong nation. We really need to start act­ing like it. I am really tired of the world view­ing us as half-cocked, overblown cowboys.

    Peace and Salaam. Good night.

  4. LadyBird says:
    November 9, 2005 at 12:20

    I am just telling you what the report on TV says, if they have a prob­lem with it, they can ask the Bel­gium TV.

  5. Jon says:
    November 10, 2005 at 09:53

    Don’t worry Lady­Bird, he’s just being a punk. As far as I can tell, you’ve never incited any­thing but intense dis­cus­sion and maybe a lit­tle mudslinging. :-)

  6. juan says:
    November 12, 2005 at 19:33

    Recently I saw the TV reports.And really it’s ter­ri­ble the sit­u­a­tions of the Magrebies,Arabians,and the “dark skin peo­ple” there.
    The Frenchies have the Royal Impe­r­ial Court treat­ment with his own citizens…for the author­i­ties that means slaves,and cheap­est work­ers!!!.
    The only fight in our hands,is not buy French Products,dont use any things made there.. and when any Frenchie is nears us…show our mon­ster black cock!!!.

  7. Jon says:
    November 13, 2005 at 12:57

    In France, that’d prob­a­bly backfire.

  8. juan says:
    November 13, 2005 at 16:06

    Jon:
    What means backfire ?

    regards from the other side of the moon

    juan

  9. juan says:
    November 13, 2005 at 16:10

    Fel­lows:
    Don’t buy any prod­uct made in France,refuse all thing made there.
    And when you see any Frenchie near you,show your black mon­ster cock!!
    That is the new war!!,with love and peace .

  10. Jon says:
    November 14, 2005 at 10:19

    Back­fire — To pro­duce an unex­pected, unde­sired result.