It’s happened to this widow with 8 children, live in a small village south of Baghdad, at night the raid started with big bangs and screaming.
After the searched the house, they destroyed a civilian car which was the only source of income to the family.
All women and children were locked in a room in the mosque for ten hours, when they released and came back home, they found everything is damaged and broken including their copy of the Quran.
And this is what they left behind
Source “Iraqirabita”
B.S.
Obvious fabrication intended to inflame.
I especially like to token koran desecration…
PS —
The right hand side of the second picture looks like a piece of what was left of the car. I’m not sure what the rest is. Metal bed frame? All stacked up nice and neat. Say “cheese” for the camera…
Can you imagine what size explosion would be required to mangle a car to such an extent? Can someone say:
“car bomb” scraps?
Good reporting LB!
Chuck youre an idiot. Sad youre whole like is devoted to making excuses for torture and murder of the Iraqi people. But then I forget youre no doubt paid to do it. Black ops and all that. Sad lil man. If you are xtain arent you worried what your god of love will say to all this murder in his name? Or are you hoping to somehow buy yourself out of it ? Funny how you neocon black ops people are all over the Iraqi blogs that dont parrot support for you, yet you are NEVER found commenting anywhere else. pathetic
chompy,
“Chuck youre an idiot.”
Um, ok.
“Sad youre whole like is devoted to making excuses for torture and murder of the Iraqi people.”
Um, our ‘like’ are the one’s who got rid of your dear dictator and given Iraqis the chance for a free future. Natuarally, it will be a rocky road.
“But then I forget youre no doubt paid to do it.”
You are paranoid.
“Black ops and all that.”
Delusional.
“If you are xtain arent you worried what your god of love will say to all this murder in his name?”
I worship the great turtle. He is not interested in human affairs.
“Or are you hoping to somehow buy yourself out of it ?”
Um, yeah. God said he would give me a fair deal and only 2.9% APR.
“Funny how you neocon black ops people are all over the Iraqi blogs that dont parrot support for you,”
I just love how you get carried away with your paranoid delusions. But I must warn you: those synapses make permanent connections as those little thoughts buzz around your head. The more often a ‘paranoid’ line of thought is pursued, the more established the ‘channel’ becomes. Your thoughts will begin taking this deviant course by default. I fear the damage may be is irreversible.
“yet you are NEVER found commenting anywhere else. pathetic”
Fascinating interpretation! So you prefer to stimulate your brain and learn about other people’s opinions by loitering in some echochamber that regurgitates your own paranoid nonsense?
I am not surprised.
I do participate in a few other forums, and all of them are ant-US, anti-Iraq for themost part, but I find that keeping track of even one is far too time consuming. I read a few dozen on a pretty regular basis to get my news. Its true i’m lazy.
Charles,
I want you to know I am really disappointed; I thought you were the travel agent for Disney World. Now Chomper thinks you’re CIA, and the big boss says he’s going to lay me off cause you’re doing a better job than me, and you’re not even on the payroll. Thanks a lot you show off…me with 12 kids and 10 dogs to feed.
As if we didn’t know: U.S. occupation of Iraq brutal and corrupt:
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M,
I’m not threat.
M’s Boss,
I’ll work twice as hard for half M’s pay.
KB,
Thanks for reminding us. That’s an excellent source for the ‘pravda’ comrad! Did you hear that the 5-year plan for production of wheat has been exceeded in NK by over 41%!
Charles — “I worship the great turtle.”
There is no such thing as “the Great Turtle”! There is only one true god and that is the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Speaking of the omnipotent FSM… Happy Valentines Day everyone! :-D
Charles, ROFLMAO!!
Jon,
“There is only one true god and that is the Flying Spaghetti Monster. ”
You just keep it up and I may have to fatwa your ass!
You can’t worship spaghetti. While you may praise pasta in its many forms due to high caloric content, long shelf life, and ease of preparation, it should not be worshipped.
Although it probably can be argued that pasta has done more to ease human suffering and promote human progress than a particular turban wearing bearded fellow who shall henceforth remain nameless (PBUH).
awww poor lil chuckie, are you getting upset youre lies arent believed ? You neocons are all the same parroting the same load of lies you always do. Youre amusing, but in a pathetic head up your butt kinda way. I’ll enjoy laughing at you when your delusions of empire fail along with your economy. Till then prattle on lil boy you can provide comedy relief as your country sinks under the waves of its own incompetancy and stupidity.
KB what do you know about Daniel Pipes?
I just read what’s at the link below and wonder what do you know about him?
Please read Daniel Pipes
KB you don’t have to answer about Daniel Pipes just did a search myself and learned that he is NOT Danish as I thougt at first from the article. But if you know more about his relationship with Fleming Rose please let me know.
Nadia, I don’t know much about Pipes except that I’ve seen his name some times on the right-wing blogs. He seems to be an Islamophobic who thinks Islam should be fought the same way as Facism.
Flemming Rose from Jyllands-Posten met him in 2004 and wrote an article entitled “The Threat of Islamism”. Here’s it is in English: The Daniel Pipes apologetic article from Flemming Rose/Jyllands Posten.
Charles, I find your gospel of the Great Turtle to be entirely credible. I am a believer. Now let me tell you how the US government engineered 9–11 and Pearl Harbor, and then I’ll tell you about the freedom fighters trying to rescue Iraq from it’s democratically elected government.
Thank you KB :)
CMAR, it would probably sound similar to this: Eyewitness to U.S. War Crimes in Iraq:
” Till then prattle on lil boy you can provide comedy relief as your country sinks under the waves of its own incompetancy and stupidity. ”
Chomper, can you say HARPER. What an idiot. Don’t you have a class to go to or something?
Pepe Escobar in the Asia Times Online: Goodbye Iraq, hello Afghanistan:
Interesting how this pundit implies that the US created these fascinationg traits within Afghan social/political culture — and how the US policy is to create the same in Iraq.
And this pundit suggests? Authoritarian crackdown? Saddam kept things in check through oppression. Of course his people are the one’s behind the current mayhem — but that’s not the point.
The point is this is a neo-con/zionist plot. Am I right?
Sure. Its a god damned party over there.
Hmmmm. But if there is chaos, we are hardly controlling things. Please make up your mind.
This dumdit fails to connect his own points. If Iraq becomes like Afghanistan, or worse, then we would not be controlling the country. We would not have stability for investment/development required to exploit the very resources he is claiming we want.
KB, you must have to dig through a lot of garbage to find these opinions…
Charles, it’s always a tough job to find the needle in the haystack:
But as we all know, they get a hand from their friends in AQ ;-)
“But as we all know, they get a hand from their friends in AQ”
Who get their help from you and LB. Its all one big circle of love.
I would love to give the Americans a hand too — to escort them out of Iraq ;-)
More photographs have been leaked of Iraqi citizens tortured by US soldiers at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison during ‘Operation Iraqi Freedom’.
KB,
The pics are terrible. But its hard to say what they really are. Some of the demoralization techniques we have seen before — get them naked, humiliate them, etc., to break them before interrogation. People caught planting roadside bombs on pedestrian streets have NO claims to white glove treatment. The problem is we don’t know anything about these people or their circumstances. While a lot of people (50,000+ ?) went through the prison, there is no reason to assume that more than a few were treated this way. You can read plenty of accounts about how the insurgents don’t really mind getting captured by americans (as opposed to Iraqis) because the prosecution system is so inefficient, most are back on the street after some weeks.
But some of the bloody pics certainly need explaining. We know there were riots at the prison. Were some of the wounds (like buckshot in the ass — if that is what it is) inflicted while putting down the riot? Head bruises? Looks like one guy was trying to head butt the steel door with obvious consequences…
There have been trials and I think many of the soldiers who really abused prisoners are in jail. There are plenty of people rotting in abu gharaib who deserve far worse than these people ever got.
The US is going to catch more shit for this to be sure. Some of it is deserved. But not all.
Charles — “You can’t worship spaghetti.”
Hey… 3.2 billion (guesstimated/randomly selected numerical figure) Pastafarians can’t be wrong!
You’re very good at downplaying what you don’t like, Charles: “While a lot of people (50,000+ ?) went through the prison, there is no reason to assume that more than a few were treated this way.”
“There have been trials and I think many of the soldiers who really abused prisoners are in jail.”
It’s not just a few bad apples — and the abuses are still going on. I would like to see people like Rumsfeld and Geoffrey Miller being prosecuted for these crimes. They are no better than Saddam and his sons.
BTW, I wonder if this information is credible: LIST of CIA Torture Planes, Culprits—Here’s PROOF that EU DENIES.
Karen Button: Who Will Possess Iraq’s Oilfields?:
KB,
I highly doubt it. In any case you wouldn’t know a thing about it. You just made that up. Funny how these newly released pics show the same perps as previous pics (who are now serving jail time).
After the initial scandal, you can be sure that US troops have been very careful because in the end — it hurts them. There may be the odd angy sadist in the mix, but you can bet that the noncoms and officers — and even fellow soldiers — would come down hard on any more of this BS.
“I would like to see people like Rumsfeld and Geoffrey Miller being prosecuted for these crimes. They are no better than Saddam and his sons.”
Sounds a bit extreme KB. Not like you at all!
My personal opinion is that the whole abu gharaib thing was blown out of proportion. Much of what happened is reprehensible — and criminal. But the idea that the whole prison was run like that, and that thousands suffered is not supported by any evidence. It really was a few bad apples under inexcusably poor management.
Many of the pics are actual proof that US soldiers are careful, and document instances of bruises, bumps, deaths, and shotgun pellets to the ass, because all of these instances are investigated internally.
On the one hand you want to pretend that highly trained, murderous US intel officers gleefully inflict sadistic tortures on innocent Iraqis by the thousands as a policy of the US government. On the other hand, we saw quite clearly that dear Lyndie and her comrades were no rocket scientists.
The people that our highly trained intel officers subject to coercive interogations are probably quite deserving of it.
Charles, as I said earlier: you’re very good at downplaying what you don’t like!
Update yourself, please: The Torture Question.
KB,
Interesting link, but there is nothing in it that supports the use of systematic torture on detainees.
Certainly the US wanted to use aggressive interogation techniques against terror suspects in order to gather info, break cells, and stop future acts of terrorism.
Certainly illegal combatants ARE NOT covered by Geneva. You may WISH they were covered, but Geneva is quite specific in who it covers and this is deliberate. Geneva deliberately does not protect illegal combatants. We have been through this and it is written in black and white.
Just because the US confirmed that it is not bound by Geneva regarding illegal combatants, it doesn’t necessarily follow that people were tortured as a policy.
This is an interesting debate topic for Geneva and perhaps it should be discussed, voted on, and regulated. If this were to happen, I doubt the terrorists would come off better. The rules of permissible interrogation techniques would become less ambiguous though.
It is a much more reasonable assessment that due to the nature of the conflict, vague rules, poor management, etc., that a few poorly controlled soldiers went overboard.
I don’t think that deliberately making a terrorist physically/emotionally uncomfortable is the same as torture.
Rough treatment is not torture.
Beating to a pulp, inflicting sadistic physical damage/pain (drills, electricity, burning, etc.), killing, etc. is torture and should not be tolerated. Anyone involved in this type of activity should be prosecuted.
Caveat:
Senior AQ leaders, if caught, should be interogated using any means that are professionally deemed as effective. If this means good cop/bad cop and sharing tea and crumpets, that’s fine. If it means torturing in the real sense because it works, that’s fine too. But I don’t think physical pain should be administered just for the sadistic pleasure of it. There may be some justice in making them suffer, but I think a 9mm double tap is even more than they are worth (the cost of the bullets I mean).
Charles, “Interesting link, but there is nothing in it that supports the use of systematic torture on detainees.”
You can’t possibly have read through all the links then… or watched the video clips. “systematic torture” might not the correct term, though. Make it brutal and humiliating interrogation techniques instead.
Here’s some more for you, Charles. According to The Independent, we have only seen a small portion of the material:
Democracy Now: Professor McCoy Exposes the History of CIA Interrogation, From the Cold War to the War on Terror:
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