In other words… you’re either with us or against us. Right?

Wrong. You are either for a democratic pluralistic Iraq, or you are against it.

The present uprising of Iraqis is not merely a part of the wider struggle against savage globalisation and “free” capital; it is its forefront battle. It is because the Iraqis refuse to surrender their sovereignty to multinational corporations that Iraq is being destroyed so blatantly. We should all be humbled by the loses this people has been prepared to endure for our sake and demand the complete, unconditional and immediate withdrawal of occupation forces from Iraqi soil, along with the cancellation of any law, treaty, agreement or contract passed under occupation and the fair payment of reparations and compensations for the human and material loses the Iraqis have suffered.

The US plan has already failed — politically, morally, economically and even militarily. There are two types of strategy in warfare: either you have the ability to destroy your enemy or you have to destroy his will to fight. The US has failed in the first attempt, and can only completely eradicate the Iraqi population to succeed in the second. The Iraqi people’s right to resist is the basis of, and is protected by, the Charter of the United Nations. This people’s struggle will be our future pride if it is not already. Supporting the Iraqis in their legitimate and heroic fight does not mean supporting the return of any previous order. Iraqis have proven their determination in defining their fate and future. They have taken it into their hands and will not and cannot accept any kind of future tyranny.

The Iraqi youth will refuse any occupation, foreign interference, one party state, despotism, or authoritarian rule. It holds the heritage, technical skills and modernism to defend the separation of religion and state, equality between men and women and sovereignty over Iraq’s natural resources. This youth will not accept selling short the rights of the country and nation. While humanity has neared the edge of moral suicide, the success of their struggle is our salvation. My heart is Iraqi.

he battle between Sunni and Shia Muslims for control of Baghdad has already started, say Iraqi political leaders who predict fierce street fighting will break out as each community takes over districts in which it is strongest.

“The fighting will only stop when a new balance of power has emerged,” Fuad Hussein, the chief of staff of Massoud Barzani, the Kurdish leader, said. “Sunni and Shia will each take control of their own area.” He said sectarian cleansing had already begun.

Many Iraqi leaders now believe that civil war is inevitable but it will be confined, at least at first, to the capital and surrounding provinces where the population is mixed. “The real battle will be the battle for Baghdad where the Shia have increasing control,” said one senior official who did not want his name published. “The army will disintegrate in the first moments of the war because the soldiers are loyal to the Shia, Sunni or Kurdish communities and not to the government.” He expected the Americans to stay largely on the sidelines.

Is there any other kind? :twisted:

Charles — “By denigrating your elected government, you are at a minimum, at the very least indirectly, supporting the forces that are tearing Iraq apart.”

In other words… you’re either with us or against us. Right?

This is what Charles and his ilk want for Iraq.

Bullshit TAI. Why make such obviously stupid comments?

My ‘ilk’ supports the establishment of a decent and fair democratic government for Iraq that respects the rights of all citizens, and is accountable to those citizens. You have been fighting and arguing against this since the beginning. By denigrating your elected government, you are at a minimum, at the very least indirectly, supporting the forces that are tearing Iraq apart.

Thanks for the rant. So if what you are trying to say is that there were some Iraqis who fought, I won’t argue that. I am talking about the majority.

Nope. It sounds like an US mall.

Nope. It sounds like a mall.

“The Jolan and Askali neighborhoods seemed particularly hard hit, with more than half of the houses destroyed. Dead bodies were scattered on the streets and narrow alleys of Jolan, one of Fallujah’s oldest neighborhoods. Blood and flesh were splattered on the walls of some of the houses, witnesses said, and the streets were full of holes.“
San Francisco Chronicle, November 10, 2004

“The enemy has got a face. He’s called Satan. He lives in Fallujah. And we’re going to destroy him.’“
Lt. Col. Gareth Brandi, battalion commander in Fallujah,
BBC, November 7

“We’re going to let loose the dogs of war. “
Staff Sgt. Mortimer, as Fallujah was bombed,
MSNBC, November 10

“There is nothing that distinguishes an insurgent from a civilian.“
An officer who would not give his name, 1st Cavalry Division,
Fallujah Associated Press, November 12

This is what Charles and his ilk want for Iraq.