Adding to Greg Palast’ article “
The American government tried in vain to seek a false political/military victories to cover it’s failure in Iraq, starting with Iraqis greets the occupiers with flowers, the capture of Saddam Hussein, until the last attempt; the creation of Zarqawi myth.
Zarqawi, the ghost who as Bush claimed is responsible of Iraq’s economic disaster, the high price of fuels, displacement of tens of thousands of Iraqis, delayed payment of salaries, no electricity and lack of drink water.
Zarqawi was everywhere, in Baghdad, Dyalla, Fallujha, Ramadi, Mosul…etc, yet former Iraq’s defense minister said:
al-Zarqawi was pretty close to being captured in Fallujah….[the Americans] delayed the operation 10 days.
The former Iraqi Defense Minister Hazem Sha’lan during a meeting in Amman.
Surprisingly that every Iraqi city destroyed, every Iraqi child murdered by American bullets, tens of thousands of detainees without trial in Buca and Abu Ghraib and other secret prisons, all were carried out to search for a ghost created by John Negroponte.
I bet yes.
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LB,
Please clarify for us.
Do you believe that Zarqawi was a US agent?
Or do you think he was an islamic terrorist and that the US exaggerated his role?
I can’t imagine that there was a more high profile figure that we ignored in lieu of Zarqawi. Was there an insurgent leader who deserved more attention than Zarqawi? Please enlighten us. Maybe one reason that there was a lot of attention on this guy was because he was an individual who claimed leadership of one of the most brutal groups in Iraq?
I like this from your post:
You link to some really irrational lala land stuff, but this one is great.
We created Zarqawi, a blood thirsty brutal killer whose ability to operate across Iraq at will was a thorn in the side of the Iraqi goverment and the MNF (and the thousands of Iraqis he killed), because we wanted a ‘false victory?’
How have his operations over the last 2–3 years provided any sort of victory?
Killing him was a good thing, but if our intention was to score a fake ‘victory’, I don’t see how his murderous rampage for 3 years could be something we wanted.
I think you guys liked having him around because you could then claim to differentiate between the wholesome ‘freedom fighters’, and the blood thirsty AQ types. They really aren’t so different as the news every day shows.
Here’s to all of you who believe Bush is comparable to Hitler… READ THIS
Thats right, all of you making this analogy are functioning off pure emotion and zero scientific data. Your arguments are no longer valid. Much like pulling the race card. Middle America can see right through your bullshit.
Charles
Like it or not, Zarqawi was a myth created by US government, bad Hollywood manufacture must be destroyed to create a better version
Zarqawi a myth? I’ve heard some whoppers in my day but that one takes the cake Ladybird. I suppose the sun and moon aren’t real either huh? Let me guess, they are actually American secret spy satellites! Don’t let the light hit your skin because we are secretly extracting your DNA! Seriously… its true! Don’t even think about going outside!
HAHAHA!
Seek professional help ASAP.
“Oh where oh where can Zarqawi be?
Team Satan’s took ‘im ‘way from me,
He’s ‘come a martyr so I’ll jihad good,
So I can see Zarqawi when I leave this world.
We were at a meeting in a safe house,
We were all quiet like a mouse.
There in the sky overhead,
F-16s, I knew we were dead,
The whistlin’ bombs the shatterin’ blast,
The painful screams that I heard last.
(clap clap, clap)
(clap clap, clap)
“Oh where oh where can Zarqawi be?
Team Satan’s took ‘im ‘way from me,
He’s ‘come a martyr so I’ll jihad good,
So I can see Zarqawi when I leave this world.
(clap clap, clap)
(clap clap, clap)
When I got up off the ground,
There were troops all around
Somethin’ warm was fillin’ up my pants,
I knew what it was, it were no ants,
They found Zarqawi littered here and there,
Add one more martyr to Allah’s list,
And now he’s gone to paradise so bright,
I lost my sheikh, my Zark that night.
(clap clap, clap)
(clap clap, clap)
“Oh where oh where can Zarqawi be?
Team Satan’s took ‘im ‘way from me,
He’s ‘come a martyr so I’ll jihad good,
So I can see Zarqawi when I leave this world.
U-lulululu
U-lu-lu-lu-lu
U-lulululu
U-lu-lu-lu-lu
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Maybe we should take lessons from pallywood?
But seriously, are you insinuating that he never existed, and that it was just US agents blowing people up and slicing off heads?
Or that he existed but ‘we’ hyped him. I mean, we hyped him more than all of his glorious jihad videos that sold like hotcakes in the ME and distributed over the internet to the rapturous joy of his followers…
Oh — and I’m serious.
Please walk me through your logic — step by step. Your evidence. I want to understand how it is you can draw these conclusions.
Or do these conclusions just sort of ‘plop’ out of the sky, and you are like ‘yeah — that must be it!’? Intuition maybe?
Jeremy — “Here’s to all of you who believe Bush is comparable to Hitler… READ THIS”
This is not a USENET newsgroup (I know you’re too young to remember those) and the rules of USENET decorum are not in effect. The comparison of someone emulating many of Hitler’s methods and ideology is a valid tactic here.
http://mindprod.com/politics/bushismshitler.html
“Naturally the common people don’t want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.“
–Hermann Goering, President of the Reichstag, Nazi Party, and Luftwaffe Commander in Chief
Goering would be proud of you. You’ve been following his advice to the letter.
“The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.“
–Adolf Hitler
Jeremy:
“Here’s to all of you who believe Bush is comparable to Hitler… READ THIS”
ANYONE who compares Bush to Hitler is an imbecile.
Jon said:
“The comparison of someone emulating many of Hitler’s methods and ideology is a valid tactic here.”
and calling you an idiot is also valid (and incredibly kind) for saying stupid things like this, Jon.
JEREMY! CASE IN POINT. JON QOUTES GOERING:
Well thats interesting! Guess what Goering had a strong interest in as a young man??? Well him and most of the other hardline Nazis that is.…They were all enthusiastic soldiers in WW1. Instead of going to these silly Leftwing sites where you get these qoutes how about reading a book? maybe this qoute would be a little more interesting if had been about brats and beer. then at least i could take goering as an expert.
“Goering would be proud of you. You’ve been following his advice to the letter.”
as if you know anything about this topic.
snore.….please read a book Jon. your attempts at making Bush seem like a fascist are lame.
Ladybird,
there are three paths that lie ahead for Iraq.
The first path is true democracy where the government values, protects, and serves all of its citizens equally. This is the path of government by willing consent. It will be painful in its birth until enough citizens accept the notion of “majority consent” that the rule of law is empowered by the people themselves.
The second path is an Iranian style government of rule by majority. Under this formula the government uses force to create a homogenous majority and then acts upon that majority. It gains the venner of democracy but lacks the legitimacy of willing consent. This path will flow from sectarian backlash if the majority sect chooses to seek security through forced submission while retaining the venner of democracy. It is the least likely of the three paths since such a governing body can not come into existence until the next election.
The third path is that of sectarian civil war. The Shia and Kurd are now a well-armed tiger that does not realize its ability to kill. In a civil war environment a military leader will step forward and show them how to go on the offensive. The sunni will be decimated. They have neither guns nor numbers nor resources to defend themselves against such an onslaught. In the end, the general who leads them will become the next dictator. This is the path desired by syria, iran, saudi, egypt, and other arab despots. It is the path that will legitimize rather than threaten their own grip on power.
Ladybird, for a moment you should rise above your cultural innoculation and ask yourself one simple question … “which of these three scenarios do you want for Iraq?” It does not matter if you want something else. They are no longer possible. It will be one of three. Which one do you want? Do your actions and words support this path or another? Presently, your actions and words are in support of civil war. It may not be what you want, but it is still the thing that you are assisting. Is that what you want?
LB said:
“Charles
“Like it or not, Zarqawi was a myth created by US government, bad Hollywood manufacture must be destroyed to create a better version ”
what is this arab obsession with the trickery of hollywood jewry?
RWE,
in some places the entire world revolves around the jew V Arab conflict. It is impossible for people living in this parrallel universe to imagine that almost all of the non-arab world really doesn’t care. It is unfathomable that a country such as america doesn’t take sides … much less revolve their entire nation around the issue.
From the Palestinian perspective the rise of Iraq will displace palestine as the central theme of mideast politics. As the people of the region begin to focus on their own personal freedom and the ineptitudes of their own government then there will be much less time left to discuss the zionist plot. When Palestine becomes a local rather than regional issue then the palestinians and hamas will no longer enjoy support of regimes like saddam and Iran. As such, the success of Iraq is a direct threat not only to the dictators but to the pan-arabist and palestinian as well. Many would prefer to see all of Iraq consumed in flames than cede one inch of soil to the jew. In their twisted little world (aka A.P.U.) the liberation of Iraq is really a zionist plot to occupy arab land.
Comparing Bush to Hitler Unfair
By Paul Revere
Lately, there’ve been some specious comparisons by some rather disgruntled observers of our current political climate comparing Bush to Hitler. Well, in fact, some of these rather disingenuous metaphors and aspersions relating the regime of dictator Bush to Hitler are wildly and fatuously incongruous and quite unfair…to Hitler.
Let’s take a brief look at the two individuals to illuminate some of the similarities and disparities.
Similar to the Bush regime, Adolf Hitler came to power in Germany in 1933 as a result of a democratic election process marked by backroom deals and political intrigues. At the time, Germany was facing a climate of extreme financial inflation and depression as a lingering result of the draconian sanctions imposed by the western allies at Versailles subsequent to the first world war. In order to solidify and consolidate overwhelming public support for Hitler’s assumption of power, the Reichstag was burned to the ground and the Communists were blamed, leading the Nazis to declare a state of national emergency and institute an entire slate of draconian laws severely limiting the civil rights of all German citizens and institutions alike under the pretext of protecting national security.
As the preceding anecdote reveals, a great deal of obvious corollaries exist relating to their respective regimes’ mutual modus operandi. However, there are very few similarities between Hitler and Bush as individuals.
First of all, Hitler served as a young foot soldier in his nation’s military and was wounded in battle numerous times. Corporal Hitler served on the front lines as a communications attaché and heroically faced enemy assault, miraculously surviving the devastation of his entire troop on a number of occasions.
George Bush slithered out of military duty during the Viet Nam War by securing a cushy position in the Texas Air National Guard within a group euphemistically referred to as “The Champaign Division.” This was a position reserved for the sons of rich and highly connected elitists who had the contacts to avoid involvement in combat operations. Even so, Bush went AWOL and was unaccounted for during an 18-month period while he cavorted around Florida and other locales, supposedly working on the campaigns of his father’s Republican buddies. Hitler was a bonafide war hero. Bush, a bonafide rich brat and coward.
Second of all, Hitler was always noted for his extreme sobriety and was a notorious tee-totaler. He was a vegetarian for most of his life and paid scrupulous attention to the maintenance of his health and mental acuity. He authored Mein Kampf, one of the highest-selling and best-known literary works of all time. He was an accomplished artist and scholar of German history. Hitler was born into humble circumstances and lived in poverty during his youth. He worked at menial jobs for years while reading and painting and applying to art school in Vienna. Despite his detractors’ criticisms of his political philosophy, even they concede he was one of the most compelling and persuasive orators of all time.
Bush was a notorious drunken philanderer throughout his youth and was 40 before he supposedly sobered up. He was arrested for DUI when he was 30, but yet again, never had to pay any real consequences due to his father’s wealth and connections. During his campaign when asked by the press about his rumored history with drugs and alcohol, he continually evaded the question by saying he has been sober since he was 40. Bush has never had a real job in the conventional sense and probably has never filled out a work application in his life. His father’s connections provided an easy entrée into the oil business where he was able simply to buy himself into an executive position before assuming the stewardship of the Texas Rangers baseball team under the same type of circumstances. His “job” with the Rangers consisted mainly of glad-handing with the political and financial aristocracy of Houston and Dallas. This led to his establishing an image as a “bonhomie” in the conservative ranks of the Republican Party and his eventual election to the governorship of Texas which, in itself, was a tactical maneuver to position him for the Whitehouse. It is widely rumored that the famous “pretzel” incident which occurred early in his presidency was in fact no more than a cover up for a drunken binge. The official story was that a pretzel got caught in his wind pipe causing him to pass out, which on its face, is patently ridiculous. Thereafter, reliable sources leaked a report that he simply passed out from being over inebriated while watching a football game. Bush’s academic credentials are unremarkable at best. He was a sub-average student throughout his academic career. His admission to Yale was obviously a result of, once again, his families connections, as certainly his academic credentials were barely sufficient to warrant admission to any institute of higher learning whatsoever, much less an ivy league one. Quite in contrast with the scholarship of Hitler, it is doubtful if Bush even reads books at all, let alone having authored any. Bush’s numerous gaffes, verbal mispronunciations and syntactical blunders during press interviews have become the stuff of legend and stand-up fodder.
Hitler inherited a national economy in a state of ruins. In just two years he revived the German industrial base and brought the German people back to work in droves. He reconstituted a sense of national pride in the German people and directed their renowned work ethic towards rebuilding Germany into a world-class industrial power.
George Bush inherited a national economy which was the envy of the world and brought it to a state of ruins virtually overnight. In the first two years of his regime, two million Americans had lost their jobs and the stock market continued into a precipitous decline.
Bush, who campaigned on the platform of smaller government and reduced spending, has presided over the largest expansion of government bureaucracy and spending largesse in American history. He promises that lowering taxes will put the American people back to work. The problem with someone like Bush who has never had a real job is he doesn’t understand that lower taxes are meaningless to the unemployed.
Hitler did surrounded himself with a cabal of racist sycophants who marshaled Germany’s resources for the purpose of imperialistic military adventures against her neighbors. He instituted a secret police force for the purpose of controlling and eliminating dissent within the ranks of the bureaucracy and the civilian populace. He also is reputed to have engaged in ethnic and social cleansing techniques against Jews, Gypsies, Poles, homosexuals, and other groups. However, he did these things for the sake of what he considered to be the benefit of Germany and the Aryan race.
Bush has surrounded himself with a cabal of fanatical Zionists and ideologues who have marshaled America’s resources for the purpose of imperial designs upon nations many thousands of miles away from her borders that pose no threat to American shores. So who are the beneficiaries? Clearly, he has not done this for the sake of Americans, but for the benefit of Israel and the Zionist fifth column in Washington, his constituency of far-right, loony Christian fanatics, and his petro-fascist pals at Halliburton and the big oil group, since these are the few who will reap any rewards. Certainly, it won’t be the American taxpayer and it certainly won’t be the Iraqis who benefit from the phony democracy that Don “Himler” Rumsfeld and his flunkies purport to be establishing there.
In fact, this military escapade was launched upon a farrago of lies, propaganda and a charade involving so called “weapons of mass destruction” which has since been proven false by default. The only real “accomplishment” that can be claimed as a result is the alienation of most of America’s allies and the dismantling of the institutional framework of international law and diplomacy which has been the lynchpin of world stability for over half a century.
Bush and his cohorts, John ” Big Brother” Ashcroft and “Slick” Dick Cheney, have worked to institute broad and sweeping attacks on civil liberties and effectively dismantled the Constitution through the so called ” Patriot Act.” Bush has summarily converted America into the visage of a Texas-style police state on steroids. After the Pentagon’s domination of a third-world, rag-tag army in Iraq, he set up the Navy as a stage prop for a crude and shameless photo op as he strutted and pranced across the decks of an aircraft carrier touting his “glorious victory.” He is using the American military for his own, personal self aggrandizement and for the financial and geo-political advantage of his cronies in the Carlyle Group.
The main difference between Bush and Hitler was that Hitler worked on behalf of Germany and the Aryan People with a view towards ending the financial and political stranglehold the Zionist Jews enjoyed in Europe. Bush operates on behalf and at the behest of this alien power structure that vests its allegiance in the greater hegemony of the Zionist supremacists across the globe and the petro-power elite in America, not on behalf of real working Americans.
In short, Bush is a traitor, pure and simple. Hitler simply doesn’t begin to compare.
http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/War/hitler.htm
moron,
Your first scenario for Iraq — government by willing consent — is unrealistic. It isn’t going to happen in the forseeable future.
The second and third scenarios are both good possibilities, with the third, sectarian civil war, the more likely.
The US/UK coalition cannot remain in Iraq without the situation deteriorating because it is reviled by the majority of Iraqis and it is acting as a magnet for recruiting armed enemies. But if the coalition pulls out, the Iraqi government maybe too weak to maintain order.This is a dilemma.
But fortunately, there is another, much more promising scenario. Replace the US/UK coalition with a UN peacekeeping force made up of soldiers from Muslim countries. Obvious solution really. Amazing nobody in DC has thought about it up to now.
Tim,
can you name a muslim nation whose armies would fight to protect the freedom of the iraqi people?
Jon vomited this bile while pretending to be a rightwinger (yet another barrage of utter lunacy on this blog):
“Lately, there’ve been some specious comparisons by some rather disgruntled observers of our current political climate comparing Bush to Hitler. ”
you mean insane observers?
“Similar to the Bush regime, Adolf Hitler came to power in Germany in 1933 as a result of a democratic election process marked by backroom deals and political intrigues.”
actually they won fair and square. so did bush…=)
“At the time, Germany was facing a climate of extreme financial inflation and depression as a lingering result of the draconian sanctions imposed by the western allies at Versailles subsequent to the first world war. In order to solidify and consolidate overwhelming public support for Hitler’s assumption of power, the Reichstag was burned to the ground and the Communists were blamed, leading the Nazis to declare a state of national emergency and institute an entire slate of draconian laws severely limiting the civil rights of all German citizens and institutions alike under the pretext of protecting national security.”
bhahahahaha!!! yep soooo similar. i mean the corallaries are obvious.
ah nothing is complete without the personal atack.
“Second of all, Hitler was always noted for his extreme sobriety and was a notorious tee-totaler. He was a vegetarian for most of his life and paid scrupulous attention to the maintenance of his health and mental acuity. He authored Mein Kampf, one of the highest-selling and best-known literary works of all time. He was an accomplished artist and scholar of German history. Hitler was born into humble circumstances and lived in poverty during his youth. He worked at menial jobs for years while reading and painting and applying to art school in Vienna.’
hitler was also known for his pathological hatred. remember that? but hey, whats 50 mil dead when you refused to eat animals lol.
hitler was a fair artist, not an accomplished one. he was also middle class. the only time he lived in poverty was when he was bum in vienna.
” Despite his detractors’ criticisms of his political philosophy, even they concede he was one of the most compelling and persuasive orators of all time.”
his detractors! haha. damn critics. spoiling my genocide.
“Bush was a notorious drunken philanderer throughout his youth and was 40 before he supposedly sobered up.”
he did sober up and hasnt killed 50 mil last i checked. you really are sick.…you are comparing bush to a genocidal maniac.
“He was arrested for DUI when he was 30, but yet again, never had to pay any real consequences due to his father’s wealth and connections. During his campaign when asked by the press about his rumored history with drugs and alcohol,”
lol. whoa that evil bush.…you really do take yourself seriously? you go on and on about bush being a rich brat (wish i was!) but there doesnt seem to be anything about killing 50 million.
“itler inherited a national economy in a state of ruins. In just two years he revived the German industrial base and brought the German people back to work in droves. He reconstituted a sense of national pride in the German people and directed their renowned work ethic towards rebuilding Germany into a world-class industrial power.”
then started a world war…oh but i guess you read up on that =)
“George Bush inherited a national economy which was the envy of the world and brought it to a state of ruins virtually overnight. ”
bahahahaha!!! yeah, the USA has collapsed.
“In the first two years of his regime, two million Americans had lost their jobs and the stock market continued into a precipitous decline. ”
AND he spared the jews!
“He also is reputed to have engaged in ethnic and social cleansing techniques against Jews, Gypsies, Poles, homosexuals, and other groups. However, he did these things for the sake of what he considered to be the benefit of Germany and the Aryan race. ”
ok, its time to write you off wacko.
see the types that gather here for your keen insights LB?
Has anyone ever noticed that if LB were a forum participant, and not a host, she would be considered a troll?
Sorry Jon… once again you spewed up comparisons that are too abstract. Find something that is cohesive with the point you are trying to make and maybe then folks might take you seriously.
None of your evidence is concrete; instead it is purely circumstantial.
Johnny Cochran would have loved you (in your own words).
Maybe you could pull the race card again. You seem to think that works.
Godwins Law holds true beyond the USENETS my insane “blogg trolling” friend.
You are proof of it.
You lose.
Tim–
In case you didn’t know, the U.S. supplies almost a quarter of the UN’s funding. So the U.S. would still be in the picture.
Smart idea.
Are you sure you didn’t invent that new beer box/cooler thing?
In case you didn’t know, the U.S. supplies almost a quarter of the UN’s funding. So the U.S. would still be in the picture.
Not quite, they are supposed to contribute nearly as much as the EU but so far have failed to come up with only about 50%. I guess the printing presses at the FRB are a little slow.
RWE — “actually they won fair and square. so did bush…=)”
Actually, Bush didn’t win. He was appointed by the Supreme Court. Hitler was also appointed to his position as chancellor.
“yep soooo similar.”
You mean the terrorist attack? I agree. It’s like they both had read “The Dialogue in Hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu”.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0739106996/
“nothing is complete without the personal atack”
A personal attack would be to say that the guy was ugly or had bad breath. When you are examining George Bush’s character in comparison to Hitler, military service is an obvious similarity. However, Hitler was man enough to serve. Bush is a chickenhawk.
“whats 50 mil dead when you refused to eat animals”
So, because Bush hasn’t racked up the body count that Hitler did, the couple hundred thousand he did kill are inconsequential?
“damn critics. spoiling my genocide.”
Does a couple hundred thousand innocent dead count as genocide yet?
“you are comparing bush to a genocidal maniac”
Yeah, what’s a couple of hundred thousand dead.
“but there doesnt seem to be anything about killing 50 million”
Shit. Bush has already killed almost as many US soldiers in his fiasco as died in the 9/11 attacks. Not only has he not caught bin Laden, he’s attacked a nation that had no involvment in the attacks and killed a couple hundred thousand innocent people to boot.
“then started a world war”
And Bush started the Petroleum Wars. What’s your point?
“yeah, the USA has collapsed.”
The US is over 8 trillion dollars in debt. The US posted a $759 billion dollar trade deficit for 2005. The US dollar has dropped in value by about 13% over the past year due to the release of large amounts of currency and a raised debt ceiling. We’re deep in debt to those who could be a threat to us and US exports have become unpopular overseas.
“AND he spared the jews!”
But killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Arabs.
“its time to write you off wacko”
If you have something positive to say about Bush, lets hear it. Up until now you haven’t said jack shit that means anything.
Jeremy — “Find something that is cohesive with the point”
Bush is a fascist. Is that a short enough sentance for you to wrap your tiny little mind around?
“None of your evidence is concrete; instead it is purely circumstantial.”
A couple of hundred thousand dead Arabs isn’t concrete enough for you?
“Maybe you could pull the race card again. You seem to think that works.”
Yeah, you’re a fuckin saint aren’t ya.
“Godwins Law holds true beyond the USENETS my insane”
Sorry pal, you’re wrong. It’s a USENET thing. You’d know that if you weren’t fresh out of high school.
“You lose.”
It’s weird that you could leave so many comments and not actually say a damn thing with any meaning in it.
Jon–
HAHAHA! LOL! Until your ideas approach moderation they will never be taken seriously. You’re doing your Libertarian-Anarchist friends a great disservice. At least you could lie now and then change your position on issues later… Maybe your party of stoners will get a man on Capitol Hill. What a bunch of losers.
Jeremy — “Until your ideas approach moderation they will never be taken seriously.”
There is nothing radical about the libertarian ideology. The nation was designed to be libertarian. BTW… I’m not talking about the party, I’m talking about the libertarian ideology of self-determinate autonomy.
“At least you could lie now and then change your position on issues later”
Lying is what the fascists and the commies do. Libertarians have something you’ve never heard of called honor. Do you know the Libertarian party does not accept corporate donations? Even though they are starting way behind, winning is not the most important thing. Having honor is.
“Maybe your party of stoners will get a man on Capitol Hill.”
Maybe. Maybe not. Regardless, I’m not selling my soul in order to brag that I voted for the guy who won.
“What a bunch of losers.”
Nice guys do finish last. But at least we have honor.
Jon Said:
“Actually, Bush didn’t win. He was appointed by the Supreme Court. Hitler was also appointed to his position as chancellor.”
yes he did. 2004 silly. again, there is little to no similarity between the nazis rise and bush’s…if there is please prove it. also, respond to the ass whooping i gave you over that stupid goering quote. i think it was you anyway.
haha. yeah that was staged. im trying my best to take you seriously but.…
“link is here [www.amazon.com”
lol. awesome dude! is this your evidence? lol
A personal attack would be to say that the guy was ugly or had bad breath. When you are examining George Bush’s character in comparison to Hitler, military service is an obvious similarity. However, Hitler was man enough to serve. Bush is a chickenhawk.”
nice try. hitler was a vagrant. bush was rich. id rather be rich too. amazing who you admire jon.
“So, because Bush hasn’t racked up the body count that Hitler did, the couple hundred thousand he did kill are inconsequential?”
bush isnt even in the same universe as hitler on this one. sorry guy =)
“Does a couple hundred thousand innocent dead count as genocide yet?”
depends on who the “innocent” are and judging from your sources you dont know much about the issue.
“Yeah, what’s a couple of hundred thousand dead.”
shocking that you dont support this with a loony left site as a source. or maybe a book review lol.
“But killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Arabs.
claimed again. source? warning: must be credible.
If you have something positive to say about Bush, lets hear it. Up until now you haven’t said jack shit that means anything.
i said he isnt a nazi or a fascist you stupid ass. can you read? prove otherwise please.
“Bush is a fascist. Is that a short enough sentance for you to wrap your tiny little mind around?”
christ youre a bore…i kinda like assorted wackos but you can barely defend yourself.
ill make this easy:
please give the reasons why bush is a fascist. you have so far given none. this may be a problem for you since you know little about 20th century history or fascism but give it a shot. i figure you are just some dumbass kid who thinks he knows whats up. pssst…you dont. grow up and stop embarrassing yourself.
“Lying is what the fascists and the commies do.”
lol. well hitler had honor dangit!
“Nice guys do finish last. But at least we have honor. ”
no, Jon…Stupid guys finish last because they have no intelligence.
“2004 silly”
Bush had a small lead on Kerry in 2004, but with all the “voting irregularities” in the state that ultimately decided it, Ohio, who knows what really happened. That state should have had a re-vote and all the illegally disenfranchized voters should have been counted.
Regardless, Bush’s first term was as a result of an appointment, rather than a democratic election in the same way Hitler rose to power.
“there is little to no similarity between the nazis rise and bush’s”
There are all sorts of similarities to the events and attitudes of Nazi Germany and things that are happening here and now. Of course the situation is different. It is 60 years later.
In Nazi Germany, there was a surge in the popularity of crackpot Christian cults. Hitler had his own brand of Christianity that led him to killing off millions of Jews, blacks, gays and whatever other undesirables. Bush has his own crackpot Christian ideology that has led him to killing hundreds of thousands of innocent muslims. Remember when he said God told him to attack Afghanistan and Iraq?
In German society, there was a fervor of “patriotic” nationalism, xenophobia and racism, just like here in America. The Nazis had brownshirts. We have cyberbrownshirts called blogtrolls (that’s you). The whole politics of the two situations is quite similar. Bush and Hitler ran of a platform of “family values”. They both believed that driving their nations into massive debt is a posititive economic policy. They are both intolerant of those who don’t share their lifestyles. On and on the similarities will go because they are following Machiavelli’s twelve-step program for converting a democratic republic into a “benevolent” despotism.
“respond to the ass whooping i gave you over that stupid goering quote”
You haven’t given anyone an asswhooping on this blog. Your comments are devoid of any content. You don’t really express your ideology other than that of support for Bush no matter how he subverts the Constitution. If you’d express an opinion or maybe organize some facts into coherant logical processes, then we could get down to business.
“yeah that was staged.”
I’m not a conspiracy theorist. However, I am someone who has been around enough to know that if a historical event wasn’t an “act of God”, someone conspired to bring it about. That’s just how the world works. One thing you don’t want to do is fall into a trap where you dismiss the idea of conspiracy and get blindly led astray. I know the US government has misbehaved in the past, so it is wise to keep your eyes open.
If you think that there is no motive for such conspiracies to occur, then you don’t realize that all the Bush cronies will clean up to the tune of about 2.2 trillion dollars. That’s a hell of a motive. The robbery of course funded by Iraqi oil profits and higher taxes when Bush leaves office.
“hitler was a vagrant. bush was rich. id rather be rich too.”
Hitler ended up becoming the highest of the elite in Nazi Germany.
“amazing who you admire jon.”
I admire people you probably don’t even respect, such as Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe and more recently, Harry Browne.
“bush isnt even in the same universe as hitler on this one.”
In this fundamentalist Christian heaven you believe in, will Saint Peter be standing outside the Pearly Gates dividing people into groups based on the number of digits in your body count?
You call yourself a Christian, yet you willing support the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people. Do you think Jesus was the type of man who would condone such death and destruction of innocent people? If you’re really a Christian, shouldn’t you emulate the behavior and beliefs of your messiah?
I’ll tell you what I know. I know that there is a couple of hundred thousand dead Iraqis. I also know that a couple of hundred thousand “terrorists” did not have a sudden pilgrimage to Iraq. While terrorists may have also been killed, I’m guessing that somewhere in the neighborhood of about 99.999% of all those people we blew up where probably not involved in any sort of terrorism. Plenty of babies have been turned into hamburger by Bush for me to be certain he’s killing innocent people.
“shocking that you dont support this”
What is shocking is that you willingly support the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent people in an illegal war of aggression… and you can still sleep at night. I’d bet a hundred bucks that you have some kind of anti-social personality disorder.
“claimed again. source? warning: must be credible”
Shit, then we are at an impasse because I won’t post any of that fascist drivel from Fox News.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Operation_Iraqi_Freedom:_Iraqi_casualties
Since the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom, the matter of Iraqi casualties — a body count, that is the number of Iraqis killed in action (KIA) — has not been forthcoming from U.S. military officials.
“We don’t do body counts.“
–GEN Tommy R. Franks, CENTCOM.
So it’s pretty tough to get a real reading on the Iraqi death toll, because we don’t give a shit enought o count all the bodies we blow up.
FAIR writes that, “According to a study published in the respected British medical journal The Lancet [October 29, 2004], about 100,000 Iraqi civilians have died as a result of the war. The majority of deaths were due to violence, primarily as a result of U.S.-led military action,” although “one of the researchers on the project said that the estimate is likely a conservative one,” according to the October 29, 2004, New York Times.
“i said he isnt a nazi or a fascist you stupid ass. can you read? prove otherwise please.”
I didn’t say he was a Nazi. I said he is a fascist. The proof is that George Bush’s political ideology is scientifically labeled “fascist”. You should have stayed in school. This science stuff can be useful sometimes.
“christ youre a bore…i kinda like assorted wackos but you can barely defend yourself.”
Yeah, I’m really drowning in this discussion. You must be the president of your high school debating team.
“please give the reasons why bush is a fascist.”
Not going to tell you again. Just go back up and reread until you can get it into your head. Or, maybe you can break with family tradition and take a political science course at your local community college… or is a liberal arts education to “liberal” for you. :-D
“i figure you are just some dumbass kid who thinks he knows whats up. pssst…you dont. grow up and stop embarrassing yourself.”
You probably don’t realize that the funny part is that everything you type just shrieks “dumbass kid”. You’re like a joke. Everything you say is almost comically wrong. Your head is so far up your ass, I’m surprised you can still breath.
“lol. well hitler had honor dangit!”
You keep on thinking that while you stand there clutching your sperm-stained copy of Mein Kempf.
“Stupid guys finish last because they have no intelligence.”
Bullshit. Bush has an IQ of about 80 and he’s the president. The most ruthless finish first. You probably think that being ruthless is smart, though, but that’s because you are devoid of honor. God wasted a perfectly good set of testicles when he made you.
awwwww sounds like someone doesnt like democracy when it doesnt turn out his way.….
“In Nazi Germany, there was a surge in the popularity of crackpot Christian cults.”
really? good thing no one told the nazis. they hated christianity ya know.…?
“Hitler had his own brand of Christianity that led him to killing off millions of Jews, blacks, gays and whatever other undesirables.”
oh and whats this about blacks and gays (a handful) killed by hitler? i mean i could see if you said slavs and gypsies…did someone leave a steaming load of PC crap in your brain and forget to flush?
snore. he did not. read a book loser. it had NOTHING to do with christianity.
this is the last one ill one smack you down on…this is tiresome. so when there is a flare up of patriotism anywhere in the world we should compare it to nazism? lol.
btw, xenophobia!!!??? hahaha!!! pssst this is the least xenophobic country in the world.
“You haven’t given anyone an asswhooping on this blog. Your comments are devoid of any content.”
no son, your goering quote was void of all meaning. mostly because you cut and paste without knowing the topics at hand. oh and is why you are such a fn coward? sorry to call you out but LET ME PUT YOU ALL ON NOTICE: DEFEND YOUR VIEWS!
“You don’t really express your ideology other than that of support for Bush no matter how he subverts the Constitution”
no actually all i said is that he isnt a fascist. funny how you didnt copy and paste that comment of mine =)
Shit, then we are at an impasse because I won’t post any of that fascist drivel from Fox News”
ill add something to your homework.…why is fox “fascist”?
“So it’s pretty tough to get a real reading on the Iraqi death toll, because we don’t give a shit enought o count all the bodies we blow up.”
let me educate you…they dont do bodycounts bc the press used then as a club against the military during the vietnam war (wrongfully it turns out since the counts were accurate as per hanoi)
cmon man…im smacking you around here. prove he is a fascist. ill wait 3 days before claiming victory. however. post a reply on a recent thread since i wont look back here.
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