Maliki’s initiative for dialogue and national reconciliation included many positive points such as the disarming militias, stop torture and the release of detainees, but it is not expected to achieve any results in terms of halting security deterioration because the plan was born dead and 11 resistance armed groups already rejected it:
Maliki closed all the doors of reconciliation by making a conditional amnesty, Maliki don’t want to negotiate with:
Baathi members, Saddam’s supporters, people who killed Iraqis and later he added people who killed American-led forces.
In fact, the people Maliki wants to talk reconciliation with, are already in the current political process, they participated in the last election and even have a ministry in the new government [as parties; Sunni Islamic party or as individuals: Mutlak].
Few remarks on Maliki’s initiative:
1– The initiative acknowledge the fact that the current political process in Iraq is a failure, has not achieved any success so far in terms of the representation of all Iraqis, and the stabilization of Iraq’s national identity.
2– For the first time the government recognizes the Iraqi resistance.
3– Demonstrate the weakness of political institutions, the issue is not a question of a minority or a majority, when it comes to the legitimacy of governance, but the issue of national standards.
4– Shows the weakness of the political and military institutions established by the occupation forces.
5– Recognize the growing corruption and violations of human rights by the constitution and governmental institutions.
6– One of Maliki’s initiative points is :
Amnesty for prisoners and detainees who did not killed/raised their arms against Iraqis [or even US forces].
This alone is a condemnation for Maliki and the American occupation forces. If they did not armed-resist, and has not been implicated in terrorist acts, why they were arrested in thousands throughout this period?
The Iraqi resistance wants the US full withdrawal from all Iraqi territory [with guarantees from the United Nations], and compensation for all the war crimes committed in Iraq, the invasion was not legitimate, illegal and based on lies.
This initiative is the first formal recognition victory of the Iraqi resistance, and the failure of the occupation forces associated in return.
US Ambassador Zalmay Khalil is doing his best to cover the US defeat embarrassment and save what could be saved.
Yet again LB makes clear her true ‘humanitarian’ intentions. For her, reconcilliation and peace would be a complete disaster.
YOU ARE A SICK INDIVIDUAL LB.
Which one’s? What are their affiliations?
Very good post, LB. Even the
I try again without the link to the New York Times:
So sorry
I don’t know what is going wrong with links, I will try to solve it.
How is it a failure that the elected government is trying to use negotiation and reconciliation as a means to reduce the violence in Iraq and include all parties and groups in the political process? Would you prefer that the security forces engage in major military operations and potentially hurt civilians?
The vast majority participated in elections and their representatives will be held accountable at the next election. An ever shrinking minority prefers violence over the political process (LB’s friends). There are some former regime people and radical terrorists who will NEVER engage in politics because they don’t believe in democracy. But that is hardly a reason to reject democracy.
I’m not sure what this means exactly, but one thing is for sure — Iraq will never stabilize politically, socially, or economically while violent groups who reject the rule of law continure to wreak havoc and murder people across the country.
Funny I’ve heard them mentioned before.
Sums up LB’s apologetic defense of the devil quite succinctly.
Except that her comrades disguise themselves as civilians and would never dare to stand their ground. Is that strength? All they can do is blow things up and kill people randomly. Is that strength? It has not stopped the formation of a government, elections, etc. Is that strength? It has only succeeded in murdering people and making the life of the average Iraqi quite miserable. Is that strength?
The constitution and the institutions are not corrupt, nor do they violate human rights. There may be individuals who do, but they can be held accountable under the rule of law. LB the progressive liberal prefers totalitarianism and extrajudicial murder as an ideal form of government. She presents no alternative other than violence.
Perhaps they were suspects implicated in insurgent activities but not caught in the act? LB yammers on yet provides no alternative other than the truly guilty and inhuman terrorists as her preferred ‘new leaders’ of Iraq. Bottom line is they are 1000 times worse than the Iraqi government.
As I asked you before, please provide a list of these Iraqi insurgent groups, their platforms, how they are related etc. Anyone with a gun who is willing to murder people is apparently an ‘insurgent group’ in your eyes. If they are a legitimate political group who aspires to leadership of Iraq, they need to clearly identify themselves, leadership, platforms, etc. Without that they are just blabbering killers.
We know this is your dream!
We’ll see how things progress. The government has made a good faith offer once again to include everyone in a fair democratic process. Barbarians who refuse this concilliatory gesture will have lost all pretensions to moral authority. What legitimate group could possible be against inclusion into a democratic process?
A senior Pentagon official says the amnesty offer has the tacit approval of the White House and may have been initiated in Washington, not Baghdad. “Maliki doesn’t sneeze without our permission,” says the official.
Mujahideen Shura Council in Iraq: Fact or Fiction?
So it looks like ‘insurgent’ group that LB affiliates herself with rhetorically and considers to be authoritative and should be in charge of Iraq consists primarily of extremist salafi terror groups dominated by AQ in Iraq.
And she expects people to take her claims of ‘freedom fighters’ seriously?
Does she really think these head loppers are better than the elected government of Iraq and the democratic process?
The MSC are the filthiest most murderous scum that have ever walked the face of the earth.
Even though they deliberately kill 100 Iraqi civilians for every 1 that the US kills accidentally, she prefers to support them.
LB is no liberal. She is no progressive. She is an extreme reactionary who supports the utterly reprehensible terrorists.
Mujahideen Shura Council doesn’t exist, this is a US organization [CIA]
This from LB:
This from Guardian:
This from LB:
This from Charles:
Here where I get my informations
there is no link between The Mujahedin Shura Council and 11 Sunni insurgent factions on the Sunday Times
By The Associated Press
Some reaction from people in Baghdad to government’s reconciliation initiative:
That’s almost funny LB. They are the same ‘group.’ Both articles attribute the same verbatum quotes to them. The only difference is that your article does not specifically mention the MSR, whereas the Guardian refers to them directly. It is crystal clear LB. The Times article does refer to groups that are part of the MSR umbrella.
You consider the AQ ‘insurgent’ groups to be the legitimate heirs to power in Iraq, rather than the elected government.
You have been exposed.
Iraqis reaction on BBC Arabic
I don’t have the time to translate more
LB,
We all know there are lots of people out there like you. But doesn’t it surprise you that there are Iraqis who actually live in Iraq who actually have hope for Iraq like I do?
Also, I totally busted you on the 11 resistance groups = MSR.
Another one of your foolish conspiracies bites the dust. I know you have plenty more where that came from, but this just shows how insincere you are.
Russia confirms death of hostages in Iraq
The coalition forces especially carry the responsibility of ensuring security in Iraq, including the defense of foreign diplomatic missions and their personnel. We have more than once insisted to the command of the foreign military contingent that it take appropriate measures,
Russia confirms death of hostages in Iraq
At one moment LB praises the Freedom fighters led by the mighty terrorist umbrella group MSR, at the next moment she blames the US for their atrocities.
Has anyone noticed this interesting habit?
Thanks RWE.
Jeeze. It seems like no one is watching.
Throw me a friggin bone once in a while KB…
Anywho, she really nailed herself to the wall with the ’11 insurgents’ thing. All I did was point it out.
Why do RWE’s posts keep disappearing?
I think there is a conspiracy afoot!
Because he’s a right wing extremist, hopefully you will be next.
He is racist, extremist, and vulgar.
Adding:
He is Fat, drinks Coca Cola and eats junk fast-food.
American stereotype, just like in movies and comic-books [Homer Simpson].
“He is Fat, drinks Coca Cola and eats junk fast-food.
American stereotype, just like in movies and comic-books [Homer Simpson].”
That description itself is bigoted and reveals your own shallow prejudice.
Perroquet,
I’m quite far from being an extremist. You, someone whose hyperbolic fantasies form the basis of their world view and whose mind regurgutates conspiracy theories is far more extremist. Perhaps extremist isn’t the right word. You represent the nutball fringe.
Avoiding the “Ugly American” Stereotype
and your point?
Of course you are an extremist Char lie, one of the very few people in the world still failing to admit that Bush lied about Iraq despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
From your link Ladybird.. I added the last one out of respect for Char lie.
Acting superior; knowing the answers to everything
Not wanting to share credit for accomplishments of joint efforts
Being unable or unwilling to respect and adjust to local customs and culture
Preferring solutions based on their home cultures rather than meeting local needs
Resisting working through local administrative, legal, channels, and procedures
Managing in an autocratic and intimidating way
Being too imposing and pushy
Being in denial, prefering to appear a fool rather than admit the truth.
LB it offends me to no end that you Y’urp-peons keep dissing Fast Food and Coca Cola! [stereotypically anti-American]
Especially since I know for FACT you had #3 meal with a Super-Sized Coke just the other day! OY VEY!
btw.. Nice Fisking Charles!!
Prize: You git lunch for two at any Golden Arches! [perhaps LB is free?]
:)