UNICEF action against Streets Children
This is the last advert from the UNICSF
“More than 100 million children live on streets. And eat off it.?

This is the last advert from the UNICSF
“More than 100 million children live on streets. And eat off it.?

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Islammemo quotes Israeli military analyst on Israeli TV saying that Israel will decide to halt military operations within 24 hours.
There is also interesting information about Hamas war tactics:
Dozens of Hamas fighters one motorcycles carrying ropes to capture Israeli soldiers, suicide bombers to explode between the Israeli troops, and fighter jump from house to house.
Ba'ath Party leader Izzat Al-Douri said that he is ready to talk with Obama's administration if the he withdraw the American troops from Iraq.
He give his greetings to Gaza and Palestinian resistance.
A silent diplomacy war between Doha and Cairo hides another diplomacy war between Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
It seems that Qatar intentially leaked the information about Egypt opposing an Arab Summit because Qatar knows that both Saudi Arabia do want Qatar to score more points.
Inspired by the Saudi role in Israel's war on Gaza, Algerian newspaper "Secret Investigator" published the real story behind the Saudi occupied islands "Tiran and Sanafir" by Israel.
For Arabic readers you can download the PDF.
Ayatollah Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah on Assafir:
To those who create the male and female suicide bombers in Iraq, why don’t they put their energy to serve their brothers the Palestinians and fight the real enemy of the Arab nation?
video clip of Qasam sniper shoot an Israeli soldier on the tank.
First Palestinian suicide operation [since the ground operations in Gaza] reported today in Gaza. At the suburbs of the city a Palestinian suicide bomber exploded near an Israeli military vehicle [unknown if it is a tank or a troops carrier].
Egyptian security needed to collect “Sawt Al-Umah” =”voice of the the nation” Magazine, because Egyptian writer and Kefaya Movement spokesman Abdul Halim Qandil wrote an article criticizing Mubarak’s regime and his role in Gaza [for those who read Arabic, the article is here.
Qandil also wrote an article on Al-Qauds Al-Arabi today saying:
Three decades ago, Egypt deployed a million-soldier army to fight Israel. this regime deploys a million-soldier army to fight the public, turning every street into a war zone.
The funny thing is that Al-Quds Press reported today exactactly the same what Qandil wrote:
On Monday, Egyptian streets turned into a military base, dozens of military vehicles in the streets to prevent people from joining the demonstrations.
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Jon
UN Redraws Maps to Reflect Future Developments
link is here
Aug 23rd, 2006
Jon
Security developments in Iraq, Aug 22
Following are security and other developments in Iraq reported on Tuesday, as of 1630 GMT.
MOSUL - Gunmen killed a family of five, including two children, after entering their home in the al-Zanjeeli district of Mosul 390 km north of Baghdad, a hospital source said.
MADAEN - The bodies of eight fruit traders were found with their throats slit by a road in Madaen, 40 km (25 miles) south of Baghdad, said Ahmed Diabil, a spokesman for Najaf province. The men, who were from Najaf, died on Monday.
RAMADI - Gunmen killed one of the bodyguards of the governor of Anbar in a drive-by shooting in the restive Sunni stronghold, west of Baghdad, police said. The governor was not present during the attack.
MUQDADIYA - Fifteen people were wounded in a mortar attack on a market in Muqdadiya, 100 km (60 miles) northeast of Baghdad, police and hospital sources said.
NEAR KIRKUK - Gunmen killed two people on the main road near Kirkuk, 250 km (155 miles) north of Baghdad, police said.
BAGHDAD - The body of Dawoud Salman, an employee in the Shi’ite Endowment, a religious foundation that cares for mosques, was found in the southern Saidiya district of Baghdad, police said.
NEAR HILLA - The body of a man with gunshot wounds to the head was found near Hilla, 100 km (60 miles) south of Baghdad, police said.
BAQUBA - Gunmen killed a police major and seriously wounded his driver as he was heading home in Baquba, 65 km (40 miles) north of the capital, police said.
MOSUL - Gunmen killed a man in the northern city of Mosul, 390 km (240 miles) north of Baghdad, police said.
YUSUFIYA - A civilian was killed and two wounded when a roadside bomb went off near a police patrol near Yusufiya, 15 km (9 miles) south of Baghdad, police said.
OTHER DEVELOPMENTS
BAGHDAD - A former Iraqi electricity minister was detained on corruption charges on Tuesday and an arrest warrant issued for his successor, a spokesman for Iraq’s Commission for Public Integrity said.
Security developments in Iraq, Aug 21
Following are security and other developments in Iraq reported on Monday, as of 1000 GMT.
COUNTRYWIDE - Iraqi army arrested 103 suspected insurgents during the past 48 hours in different cities of Iraq, the army said on Monday.
ISKANDARIYA - Two policemen were wounded when a roadside bomb went off beside their patrol in Iskandariya, 40 km (25 miles) south of Baghdad, police said.
BASRA - Gunmen killed Fadhil al-Magsusi, a colonel in the Facility Protection Services (FPS), on Sunday in the southern city of Basra, 550 km (340 miles) south of Baghdad, police said.
BASRA - Gunmen killed two off-duty members of the Interior Ministry Intelligence Service on Sunday in Basra, police said.
Security developments in Iraq, Aug 20
Following are security and other developments in Iraq reported on Sunday, as of 1300 GMT.
BAGHDAD - At least 20 people died and more than 300 were hurt in Baghdad in attacks on Shi’ite pilgrims who gathered in their hundreds of thousands for a religious festival in the capital, a Health Ministry spokesman said.
KERBALA - A policeman and a gunman were killed in clashes in the holy Shi’ite city of Kerbala, 110 km (68 miles) south of Baghdad, police said. A further two policemen were wounded and four gunmen arrested. It was not clear what sparked the fighting or whether the gunmen were linked to armed militia in the city.
JURF AL-SAKHAR - Police said they found the bodies of two unidentified men in fields in Jurf al-Sakhar, south of Baghdad. They had been shot in the chest and head.
BAGHDAD - Defence minister says 14 soldiers were wounded and 30 suspected insurgents and militants arrested in violence against pilgrims in Baghdad on Sunday.
BAQUBA - Gunmen killed seven people, including two brothers in the local police force, police said.
DIWANIYA - Two people were killed and two wounded by a mortar attack on a car park in the town of Diwaniya, 180 km (110 miles) south of Baghdad, police said.
Security incidents in Iraq, Aug 19
Following are security incidents in Iraq reported on Saturday as of 1830 GMT.
ANBAR PROVINCE - A U.S. soldier died on Saturday from wounds sustained from enemy action in Iraq’s Anbar province, U.S. military said.
HAWIJA - A roadside bomb killed a civilian and wounded five others, including two children, in the town of Hawija, 70 km (43 miles) southwest of Kirkuk, Iraqi police said.
BAQUBA - Gunmen killed at least 12 civilians in Baquba and nearby towns including two university professors, students and farmers, a security source in the town said. It was not clear whether the attacks were co-ordinated.
DIWANIYA - A roadside bomb targeting the Iraqi army convoy of Brigadier-General Jamil al-Haji, killed two of his bodyguards and wounded three others in Diwaniya, 40 km (25 miles) south of Baghdad, police in the town said. Haji escaped unhurt.
MOSUL - A policeman was killed and another wounded when they were shot by a sniper whilst on patrol in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, police Brigadier Saeed al-Jubouri said.
ISHAQI - Iraqi police said they found the body of a civilian in the town of Ishaqi, 100 km (60 miles) north of Baghdad, with gunshot wounds to the head and chest.
MAHMUDIYA - Several mortar rounds targeted a market in the town of Mahmudiya, just south of Baghdad, wounding 10 people, police said.
OTHER DEVELOPMENTS
VATICAN CITY - Pope Benedict appealed for the release of an Iraqi Catholic priest kidnapped in Baghdad. Father Saad Syrop Hanna, of the Chaldean Catholic Church, was abducted on Aug. 15.
Aug 23rd, 2006
Jarn
For a period of time, I was one of those kids. It’s hard for people to imagine that happening in the U.S., but I assure you that it does. I still remember the hunger clawing at me with constant pain.
We are only as noble as the least among us. Give what you can to UNICEF and others like it, and work for peace.
Aug 23rd, 2006
Jon
“I still remember the hunger clawing at me with constant pain.”
Go here.
link is here
Aug 23rd, 2006
Jarn
Jon, did you offer that link as an opportunity to volunteer, or healing? I have done both, but I appreciate the support.
By American standards, what I went through is considered traumatic or even tragic, although I have no illusions or sense of victimhood about it. Something like 30,000 kids die every day on this planet of starvation and disease. On the world stage, I was one of the lucky ones.
Humans have a staggering insensitivity to the suffering of others. War and famine could not exist without it.
Aug 23rd, 2006
Jon
“did you offer that link as an opportunity to volunteer, or healing?”
I offered it because that’s where I eat when I don’t have dough for food.
“By American standards, what I went through is considered traumatic or even tragic”
Americans are considered living in poverty on an income that probably seems like a fortune to people living in poverty in some countries.
“although I have no illusions or sense of victimhood about it.”
Yeah, well, you know, it happens. You just have to get up and dust yourself off and keep plugging away.
“Something like 30,000 kids die every day on this planet of starvation and disease.”
Yeah, it’s a rock and a hard place problem. I think it would be better if countries would, instead of giving people fish, help people learn how to fish.
“On the world stage, I was one of the lucky ones.”
Lucky that you’re an American.
“Humans have a staggering insensitivity to the suffering of others.”
I don’t believe that. Life is a struggle. People are worried about keeping up with their own lives. However, when people are faced with a humanitarian crisis, they tend to rise to the occasion. Even Hezbollah has a humanitarian side to it (you know, for propaganda purposes, but whatever).
“War and famine could not exist without it.”
Bah… greed, ignorance, lethargy, hatered and every other sort of malevolence and barbarism all combine to turn this world to shit…
Aug 23rd, 2006
Stef
From wikipedia:
link is here
The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child is an international convention setting out the civil, political, economic, social and cultural rights of children…
According to UNICEF, the Convention has been ratified by 192 countries, or almost all members of the United Nations. Only Somalia and the United States have not ratified the CRC. Somalia is currently unable to proceed to ratification as it has no recognized government.
Aug 23rd, 2006
Michael
Another case of the all the world being wrong and America right.
Just like they are usually the only nation to veto UN resolutions aimed at bringing peace to the Middle East.
Aug 23rd, 2006
Jon
First you don’t want the US’ help and then you do. Make up your freakin’ minds.
Aug 23rd, 2006
Michael
If the USA was “wiped off the face of the map” tomorrow the world would be all the better for it.
Aug 23rd, 2006
Jon
Well, you know, you’re welcome to try I guess.
Aug 23rd, 2006
Jarn
No matter what the topic of the post, it always gets around to america=bad. Kind of hard having a real conversation with a broken record.
How do you expect me to take you seriously Michael when you call for the destruction of my family and everyone I care about? Insert your country into that statement and tell me how it feels. Surely we can dig up some dirt on your birthplace and justify it’s annihilation?
We’ve got some serious shit to clean up on this planet, so can we talk about where to go from here?
Aug 23rd, 2006
Jarn
Stef, it is sad that the US has not ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child. On the other hand, children are treated far better here than they are in many of countries that have signed.
link is here
Maybe your should direct your criticism at countries where children suffer the most.
Aug 23rd, 2006
Jarn
Sorry, Stef, I meant to post this link:
link is here
Aug 23rd, 2006
Michael
Jarn “How do you expect me to take you seriously Michael when you call for the destruction of my family and everyone I care about?”
It was a statement of fact Jarn, if the USA didn’t exist the world would be a much safer and better place, no terrorism, no breaking of International Law, no terrorist Jewish State in the ME, the only things we would have to learn to do without is coca cola and McDonalds.
Aug 24th, 2006
Jon
“It was a statement of fact Jarn, if the USA didn’t exist the world would be a much safer and better place”
It is a statement of emotion. You are much more emotional than most men I have met. You must be very in touch with your feminine side.
Aug 24th, 2006
Michael
It is a statement of emotion. You are much more emotional than most men I have met. You must be very in touch with your feminine side.
Perhaps, but then again I don’t go round “dicking” them as you apparently do.
Aug 24th, 2006
Jarn
Yeah, right. That’s our only contribution to the world. I wonder why so many people risk death to come here?
We can U.S.-bash indefinately, but I’ll ask you again - where do we go from here? My thoughts:
1. Elect Democrats to congress. They may be the lesser of two evils, but there is no chance of impeachment with Republicans in power, and there is no chance of ending the Iraqi war without removing BushCo.
2. Empower the U.N. to protect human rights. I don’t care if it sounds ridiculus - if they had any cajones they would have stopped BushCo from invading.
3. Improve communications with the ME. Blogs like this help. We need to see each other as human - makes it harder to change the channel.
Your turn, Michael.
Aug 24th, 2006
Jon
You’re wasting your time. Michael is not here to have a relevant conversation, but to get his aggressions out. He lacks the courage to actually act on his rage, so he types into a blog where he is safe from harm. I even invited Michael to visit the US and told him that I would treat him as an honored guest. His response was “Stop threatening me!” He’s a joke.
With regards to your plan, while the Democrats may have success in taking more seats in Congress, they still will not move to impeach. They’ve plainly stated this.
Another problem I foresee is the Democrats trying to run Hillary for president, in which case McCain will win.
Even if Bush were impeached by some miricle, then Cheney would take the office, which is far worse.
With regards to the UN, screw the UN. They are like a bunch of jabbering monkeys in which most members have no concern for US security.
With regards to opening communications, well, you see how hard it is to converse with these people.
Your assertion that blogs like this help anything is the ridiculous part of your post. They are full of horseshit with no further purpose than to propagandize. They are doing what they can to encourage terrorism without landing themselves in jail.
These people don’t see you as human or they would treat you with courtesy. They think you’re the devil. You’re peacenik ideology (no offense) won’t change that.
Aug 24th, 2006
Michael
I do apologise Jarn, I forgot chewing gum.
Aug 24th, 2006
Jarn
Regardless of what the Dems have said, if we take it to the streets, they’ll impeach. Maybe we can impeach Cheney as well. Worth a try. We should at least try to regain some self-respect.
I’m thinking of the ‘06 election, but if either Clinton or McCain win in ‘08, there’s a better chance at peace. My fear is that Rice will win.
Yeah, the UN is useless in it’s present state. But my point is that we need a strong world government with the power to stop agressive wars.
Michael and LB do not represent everyone in the ME (no offence, LB). And blowing of anger is a starting point. How many Americans would continue to stand by if they really understood the depth of suffering in the ME? Communication can bring that home.
As for being a peacenik… now who has no faith?
Got any better ideas?
Aug 24th, 2006
Michael
You know, although this won’t be any of Jon’s history books, Nazi Germany had the decency to resign from the League of Nations. The NewWorldNazis seem content to hang around and sabotage the UN.
Aug 24th, 2006
Jarn
America bad!
America bad!
America bad!
America bad!
America bad!
yadayadayada…
Aug 24th, 2006
Michael
How many Americans would continue to stand by if they really understood the depth of suffering in the ME? Communication can bring that home.
To be honest , well over 90%. Americans just care about themselves, they are not interested in hearing about the death and destruction they bring to the world as long as the price of gas doesn’t get too high.
This is why I intend to enjoy every moment of the pending economic demise of the Yanquis.
Aug 24th, 2006
Jarn
Yeah, that’s why over half of the US wants to end the war.
As for our impending doom, don’t hold your breath.
Got anything constructive to say?
Aug 24th, 2006
Michael
To be honest Jarn, for an American, you seem reasonably well balanced, so much so I would consider allowing you to become a member of my own discussion forum if there was a way of letting you know its location without the undesirables also getting to see it. But to be honest, my best advice to you is to emigrate somewhere.
Now America goes cap in hand, as Britain once did
link is here
By Michael Meacher
(Filed: 18/08/2006)
The financial and trade imbalances that are now severely stretching the US are changing the balance of power in China’s favour.
Indeed, what prompted George Bush’s recent Asian trip was no new political initiative but, crudely, a search for money. With US net foreign debt of over $4,000bn (£2,110bn) now approaching 40pc of GDP, and a current account deficit of more than 6pc, the US is reduced to seeking financial support from China, just as Britain was obliged to go cap in hand to the US after the Second World War.And, as was the case with Britain 60 years ago, help will be forthcoming but at a price. The Chinese politely listened, and waved Bush off as he flew on to thank the Mongols personally for sending 160 troops to Iraq. The symbolism could hardly be lost on anybody.
China’s investment rate has accelerated to the point where it now exceeds 40pc of GDP, leading to a huge growth in exports capable of financing an equally dramatic growth in imports and still yielding a current account surplus of over $70bn. With Japanese exports to China now totalling nearly £10bn a year, Asia is increasingly forming into an economic bloc focused on China.
The American response to its parlous financial state is eerily reminiscent of the strategy adopted by Britain when its empire faced a similar financial and security challenge a century ago. In the inter-war years Britain still maintained a global military stance dependent on Middle Eastern oil to fuel it but gradually undermined by a weakening home industrial base and rigid domestic wage structure.
World-wide investments built up over the previous century were no longer sufficient to cover the British deficit. With sterling still the reserve currency, the solution sought was a mix of capital controls and imperial trade preference. The British Empire was transformed into an international trading and monetary bloc, with the main net savings surplus countries forced to keep those assets in sterling to finance Britain’s deficit.
Today the US appears to be trying to achieve a similar device. The trading range for the dollar, euro and yen has stabilised over recent years, and this has been matched by the stability of longer term bond yields, not least in Japan.
The Clinton administration’s strong dollar policy was a move in the same direction. Efforts to lock in Japanese credit flows were explained by the need for Japan to invest its savings overseas to finance an ageing population and, indeed, if Japan’s net foreign assets of over $2,000bn were brought within the dollar area, they would cover half the US deficit.
On the security side the US has increased its military presence in north-east Asia, including a new base in the Japanese islands, and Japan has contributed forces to the coalition in Iraq. Above all Japan needs oil and American support is needed to ensure its continued availability.
There are, however, significant obstacles to this US strategy. Hitherto the US has used access to its enormous internal market to finance its growing worldwide military presence and particularly to ensure the continued flow of strategic commodities on to international markets, above all oil. America now has troops in 135 countries across the globe. But there are clear signs that this cannot be sustained indefinitely as US trade and finance deficits continue to grow remorselessly.
First, whilst the US is important to Japan, it is not obvious that Japan would accept being constrained within a dollar bloc. Rather its trading future lies increasingly with China.
Secondly, whilst European independence remains hostage on its energy flank and was prevented by two world wars from gaining dominance over Middle Eastern and Caspian oil, the expanded EU is now increasingly the subject of contest between the US and Russia for influence over this important geopolitical space. Moreover Franco-German opposition to the Iraq War, the deadlock over the French-Dutch referenda and the instability over the recent German elections suggest it is unlikely that Europe will offer a strong partnership.
Third, the US has even less leverage over China. Chinese imports from the US amount to only $4bn a year while Chinese exports to the US account for only 15pc of its total trading. American difficulties are now magnified by the rapid approach of peak oil, the expensive elongation of the Iraq conflict, and the unleashing of increasing opposition to the so-called War on Terror doctrine.
The latter was never anything more than a cover for gaining US control over the lion’s share of the world’s oil supplies plus a justification for expanding the US military hegemony. However, the strategy depended on integrating Iraq as swing producer into a US-UK-Israeli oil cartel, together with the privatisation under Western influence of the former Soviet oil industry. If this had succeeded, wider gains might have included containment of Chinese expansion and significant limitation of Japanese room for manoeuvre.
This strategy has become badly unstuck. The war in Iraq is as unwinnable as ever, the cost is becoming prohibitive, and the safeguarding of the pipeline transit routes through Iraq and Syria is probably unachievable. The prospect of the oil sector dominating the Russian national interest has been upstaged by Putin’s takeover of Yukos.
The US exit from Iraq, which will be enforced under unfavourable conditions, will certainly not be the final day of reckoning. That will come when the US is compelled to make fundamental changes to its current financial-trade-political stance as being insupportable, as happened half a century earlier to Britain at Bretton Woods.
Michael Meacher, Labour MP for Oldham West and Royton, was Environment Minister from 1997 to 2003
Aug 24th, 2006
Michael
Yeah, that’s why over half of the US wants to end the war.
Over half beieves Iraq had WMD, over half believe that Iraq was involved in 9/11. Over half suffer from a mental illness.
As for our impending doom, don’t hold your breath.
It is actually unavoidable, with or without Bush or the Republicans. Each month you slip down a slope which is continiously increasing in gradient. The USA has lost favour with every country in the world, apart from Israel of course, not forgetting the prancing poodle,
Got anything constructive to say?
I’m trying to help, I did suggest you emigrate.
Aug 24th, 2006
Stef
Jarn,
You are absolutly right, and those countries would not have any credibilities, if they have the pretention to say to others countrie how to respect human rights and how to treat children, having the rules of laws…
Finally It is like that some countries had ratified the Geneva Convention and finaly do not applied. Those can not have any credibilities.
Oh it was just an cut and past from wikipedia, , call it a criticism if you want but you can also correct it if this is not the truth.
Aug 24th, 2006
Jon
“Regardless of what the Dems have said, if we take it to the streets, they’ll impeach.”
Well, ya know, go for it.
“Maybe we can impeach Cheney as well.”
If a Democratic majority can be gained in Congress and the Democrats run a sensible candidate for president, it is possible that these people can be criminally indicted. That’s the best hope.
“Worth a try. We should at least try to regain some self-respect.”
You should never lose respect for your self because of what someone else does.
“I’m thinking of the ‘06 election, but if either Clinton or McCain win in ‘08, there’s a better chance at peace.”
I believe that both candidates would pursue war in the Middle East and, after much discussion with Michael, I am beginning to think they would be right in doing so.
“My fear is that Rice will win.”
Never happen.
“Yeah, the UN is useless in it’s present state. But my point is that we need a strong world government with the power to stop agressive wars.”
The real situation is that the bulk of powers, including Russia and China, wanted a war on terror, but did not want to jeopardize their flow of oil, so they stood back and allowed the US to do it. They would have stopped it if they had wanted to. They didn’t want to.
“Michael and LB do not represent everyone in the ME (no offence, LB).”
In fact, they don’t represent anyone in the Middle East. They are Europeans. No offense, LB.
“And blowing of anger is a starting point. How many Americans would continue to stand by if they really understood the depth of suffering in the ME? Communication can bring that home.”
The Middle East brings most of their suffering onto themselves. They cannot organize because they can’t get along with each other. They are afraid to rise up against their own regimes, so they allow their own oppression to occur. The reason democracy fails in the Middle East is because they are not mature enough to run their own lives. They want dictatorships to live their lives for them. I say we wash our hands of the whole affair and let them fall of their own accord.
“As for being a peacenik… now who has no faith?”
You got me there.
“Got any better ideas?”
See above. You can’t force people to be free. They have to want it.
“To be honest , well over 90%. Americans just care about themselves”
-Michael
Jarn, this is what is known as a bullshit statistic. This is what you’re dealing with. You will notice Michael accusing people of things that they aren’t doing. This is what is known as transference of guilt. He is making up “facts”, so his guilt plays tricks on his mind to make him think everyone else is doing it, too. You will get nowhere talking to this guy because he doesn’t know how to be honest.
“Yeah, that’s why over half of the US wants to end the war.”
Exactly. However, he continues to harass and the eventual result of his harassments will be to turn the tide back against him. Even I, a die-hard libertarian, am considering voting Republican just to spite him.
“As for our impending doom, don’t hold your breath.”
At least, if he’d hold his breath, we could have a constructive conversation.
“Got anything constructive to say?”
After almost a couple of years of listen to Michael’s harpings, I am certain that he indeed does not have anything constructive to say.
“I would consider allowing you to become a member of my own discussion forum if there was a way of letting you know its location without the undesirables also getting to see it.”
-Michael
That’s freaking hilarious.
“Over half beieves Iraq had WMD, over half believe that Iraq was involved in 9/11. Over half suffer from a mental illness.”
-Michael
Do you still believe you can have a constructive conversation with Michael?
Aug 24th, 2006
Michael
I say we wash our hands of the whole affair and let them fall of their own accord.
Does that mean you are leaving us then?
Aug 24th, 2006
Jon
“Does that mean you are leaving us then?”
Considering I am not in the Middle East, it would be hard for me to leave.
Aug 24th, 2006
Michael
You will get nowhere talking to this guy because he doesn’t know how to be honest.
That’s coming from a person who in a rare moment of lucidity this morning admitted that there’s no difference between the truth and falsehoods in his own mind.
Exactly. However, he continues to harass and the eventual result of his harassments will be to turn the tide back against him. Even I, a die-hard libertarian, am considering voting Republican just to spite him.
Not my problem Jon. I must say I think Libertarians are a bunch of loony tunes in any case
Aug 24th, 2006
Jon
“That’s coming from a person who in a rare moment of lucidity this morning admitted that there’s no difference between the truth and falsehoods in his own mind.”
Read.
link is here
“Not my problem Jon.”
Not mine either.
“I must say I think Libertarians are a bunch of loony tunes in any case”
That’s because you are a communist. The idea of self-determinate autonomy is terrifying to you. You want the government to nanny you instead of making your own way in life.
Aug 24th, 2006
Michael
That’s because you are a communist.
Hardly Jon, Bolshevism/Communism is a Jewish idea. When it failed in the Soviet Union they all moved to the USA or Israel.
Aug 24th, 2006
Jon
Yes, you are.
‘The words socialism and communism were used almost interchangeably in the beginnings of the socialist movement, prior to the formation of communism as a unique type of movement, separate from the greater socialist movement. People chose to use one or the other on the basis of perceived attitude to religion. In Europe communism was considered to be the more atheistic of the two; whereas in England that sounded too close to communion with Catholic overtones, hence athiests prefered to call themselves socialists.’
so‧cial‧ism –noun 1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
Hey, go take this test. I’ve seen how fascists score, but it would be interesting to see how a communist scores.
link is here
Aug 24th, 2006
Michael
I believe most EU countries have socialist policies in regards to health, schools and also to a certain extent, housing. But not in regards to land ownership or the control of production, capital and distribution. Which is why it’s a better place to live in than the states.
Aug 24th, 2006
Jon
Whatever you say, commie.
Aug 24th, 2006
Michael
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.72
Aug 24th, 2006
Jon
Wow, you have more in common with Gandhi than you thought.
Aug 24th, 2006
Jon
Michael… have you read this?
link is here
Aug 24th, 2006
Michael
Have you read this?
link is here
Aug 24th, 2006
Michael
Anyway must go now, looks like Jarn isn’t coming back so there’s no chance of an adult exchange.
Toodle pips.
Aug 24th, 2006
Jon
I’ll take that as a no. Just because some Jews are communists, doesn’t mean that all communists are Jews, does it?
This is about the most adult exchange I’ve ever seen you have. That was like four or five posts with no attempt at insult.
Aug 24th, 2006
Norton
Economic Left/Right: 1.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.64
~~
since right after slaughtering a few million Vietnamese, I’ve run my own co. since 1975…
Damn but I do love the smell of CASH!
Aug 26th, 2006
Jon
“Economic Left/Right: 1.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.64″
That’s just your average Democrat. You believe in some corporate control of government and little real personal freedom, probably due to your desire for government to nanny the people. When you get older, expect to find yourself agreeing with Republicans more often.
Aug 26th, 2006
Norton
I was a Libertarian when you were in knickers Skippy!
..but left on account of it’s more un-realistic/un-pragmatic notions…like open borders for instance.
But if you run across any time machines Jon (reasonably priced of course) plz fire me a message, as I’d love to meet Jefferson and the whole crew.
de duobus malis, minus est semper eligendum
Aug 26th, 2006
Jon
“I was a Libertarian when you were in knickers Skippy!”
You’re awefully right-wing authoritarian for a libertarian.
“like open borders for instance”
The borders are already open and I’ve got 14 million Mexicans to prove it.
“if you run across any time machines…I’d love to meet Jefferson”
Here you go…
link is here
“de duobus malis, minus est semper eligendum”
I prefer to shun both evils and choose good.
Aug 27th, 2006