The Iraqi National Dialogue Front led by Salih Al-Mutlak announce their support to the new established Iraqi resistance political council.
Al-Mutalk said to Aljazeera that the solution for the Iraqi crisis and to restore stability is through direct negotiation with the Iraqi resistance.
This announcement from Al-Mutlak was synchronized at the same time when Kuwati newspaper alwatan reported that negotiations between the Americans and the Iraqi resistance soon will continues.
According to the newspaper’s source, the new alliances on the ground with the “Awakening Councils” are pushing the American to negotiate with the resistance,
The Americans promised to issue an amnesty to some resistance factions such as (Hamas-Iraq and Ba’ath Party) soon but they are waiting to check the Iraqi government reaction.
The sources said that the last meeting in Egypt, the American administration raised the level of representation, which was attended by anonymous Arab politician, Dr. Iyad Allawi, and three Ba’ath Party representatives, one came from Amman, the other from the United Arab Emirates and the third in Egypt.
The reason of this meetings was to discuss and evaluate the reasons of the previous failures of negotiations, and requirements of the American role in this matter.
The meeting didn’t come with specific recommendations, but the Americans preferred to consult Washington, as well as Baathists, who asked for some time to study the proposal, before their acceptance or rejection, which would be offered by these sources in the upcoming Ba’ath Party Conference which to be held in the next few days.
It is worth noting that Iraqi National Dialogue Front led by Salih Al-Mutlak has links with the RENEGADE wing of the Ba’ath Party led by usurper Mohammed Younis Al-Ahmed. I have been offline over the weekend, and haven’t read up about this yet, but these reports indicate that the Iraqi Resistance Political Council, representing moderate Islamist factions affiliated with AMSI, is in league with the renegade Ba’athists. Other factors also point in the same direction.
Details of secret talks between the renegade Ba’athists led by M. Younis Al-Ahmed and the US, brokered by members of the National Dialogue Front in July 2007, are provided in the following article, entitled ‘Selling the Iraqi Resistance’ : http://conflictsforum.org/2007/selling-the-iraqi-resistance/ A more appropriate title for the article would be, ‘Selling OUT the Iraqi Resistance’!! Here is a quote:
What comes to these claims read carefully the Roads to Iraq discussion (and the latest comment by our crew on Jama’at e-Ulema e-Islami (the Association of Muslim Scholars in Iraq): http://www.roadstoiraq.com/2007/10/04/baath-party-13th-conference-new-resistance-alliance-front-and-statement-about-dividing-iraq/
(To appear soon after LadyBird’s checked it out)
NDHF eds
ndhf maybe you should learn to speak English properly because damn it, i did not understand what the hell you are on about.
@ bARABie: could you point out the difficult part so that we can clarify it to you, we’re always in such a hurry that we do not have time to re-read our comments, but will more than gladly sort any confusion out.
“RENEGADE wing of the Ba’ath Party led by usurper Mohammed Younis Al-Ahmed.”
Alison if Izzat Al Duri has not approved these talks then younis al ahmed is not a baathist, not even a “renegade” baathist but a traitor. The kalb younis can call himself what he wants but the fact of the matter is that Izzat Al Duri is the man in charge and the Baath is not negotiating with any yankee. I believe they will talk with the yanks IF the yanks withdraw but any OTHER talks are null and void.
“What comes to these claims read carefully the Roads to Iraq discussion”
THAT!
“we’re always in such a hurry that we ”
Btw i am guessing and it’s a valid guess that only ONE person typed the comment not WE. So WHY do you continually say WE? Are you trying to deceive people by letting them think there is more than one of you?
bARABie, you are right. Mohammed Younis Al-Ahmed is the ringleader of a band of ex-Ba’athist traitors who have been bought by the CIA. It is no secret that the precipitate liquidation of President Saddam Hussein was part of a deal involving the legalisation of a SURROGATE Ba’ath Party led by Al-Ahmed himself. Along with other traitors posing as honourable patriots, this FAKE Ba’ath Party would SELL OUT the Iraqi Resistance and throw its weight behind a ‘National Salvation Government’ led by CIA agent Ayad Allawi.
Mohammed Younis Al-Ahmed enjoys the support of ex-Ba’athists who were either in contact with the CIA before the invasion or were eager to collaborate with the invaders, but who lost their jobs as a result of de-ba’athification.
Alison I love you. Please don’t take that the wrong way but everything i have seen you say brings joy to my heart. Please keep up the good work.
Alison, are you Alison Gundle ?
@ bARABie: it says there:
“What comes to these claims read carefully the Roads to Iraq discussion (…): link is here.”
Clicking the link you’ll end up to the article where the discussion we refer to is.
We do not understand what’s so difficult.
@ Newsdesk Helsinki Finland
“We do not understand what’s so difficult.”
And WE believe you do not understand ANYTHING period.
Good luck with it !
Regards.
@ Khudair: Well, there are those that do think we understand the situation very precicely: http://theunitedstatesofmonsters.blogspot.com/2007/10/du-retrait-amricain-dirak-ou-du-projet.html
(The baathist part in the plottings is sketched in this article of which you may now choose either English, Arabic, or French version).
Note also that the Arabic translation has been provided by the political wing of the Armed Iraqi Resistance, the Association of Muslim Scholars in Iraq so that you may expect the military wing of the Armed Iraqi Resistance pretty much agree with NEWSDESK HELSINKI FINLAND analysis on the general situation ;)
“And WE believe you do not understand ANYTHING period.”
ROFLMAO i am starting to truly believe that.
We do not ask you to believe us. All you need to do is read the main wire under which we’re discussing. It’s all in it (with some bold by our eds).
“According to the newspaper’s source, the
“The Americans promised to issue an amnesty to some resistance factions such as ([their phony] Hamas-Iraq [i.e. Baquba Guards] and Ba’ath Party) soon but they are waiting to check the Iraqi government reaction.“
– Of course they promised, as all this went through Allawi to Baath in the first place.
“The sources said that the last meeting in Egypt, the American administration raised the level of representation, which was attended by anonymous Arab politician, Dr. Iyad Allawi, and three Ba’ath Party representatives, one came from Amman, the other from the United Arab Emirates and the third in Egypt.”
The reason of this meetings was to discuss and evaluate the reasons of the previous failures of negotiations, and requirements of the American role in this matter.
“The meeting didn’t come with specific recommendations, but the Americans preferred to consult Washington, as well as Baathists, who asked for some time to study the proposal, before their acceptance (…), which would be offered by these sources in the upcoming Ba’ath Party Conference which to be held in the next few days.”
We cannot explain this to you any better than the LB wire does itself. Furthermore, we’re not too worried about the Baath: the U.S. offensive in Diyala, aimed at rising baathists for the new Jihad and Liberation front did not gain much (according to Ibrahim al-Shammari, IAI spokesman, the street remains with the Resistance. The traitors will have it soon anyway.
@NDHF:
Eradicating half a century of glorious revolutionary struggle from the hearts and minds of the Iraqis is a “mission impossible”.
I would suggest you stop your defamation campaign now that you are still in time, or you’ll seriously risk ending up with eggs on your face like your “predecessors” in Washington and Tel Aviv.
– You do not have to tell that to us Finns, we having had our own fights with everyone around and struggle enough.
Also, we’re quite aware that there are decent baathists, and we ourselves are very much admirors of Saddam Hussein’s heroic Jihadi struggle in the hands of the occupiers.
Why we’re here is that we’re trying to bring you the message that is written right in this very Roads to Iraq report: that Allawi, the “the upcoming Ba’ath Party Conference” and the U.S. are plotting to very nasty deeds.
We have nothing to do with that, just warning you what’s going on. If you have some or any relations to the Baath party and congress in question, you should not waste your time with babbling with us, but to save the party, turn to the persons that are currently plotting there.
Adhd STOP your denigration of the RESISTANCE immediately. Izzat and the Baath party would NEVER cheapen Saddam’s martyrdom by negotiating with any yankee/safavid/zionist. I tried giving you the benefit of the doubt but you insisted with your bullshit. Also the fact you use the word “jihadi” tells me quite a bit about you.
Another thing, you have A BLOG, nothing else. So stop with this we/us load of crap. You really are starting to get on my nerves.
@NDHF
My “relations” with the Ba’ath Party are none of your business, but I can assure you, I would never entertain any relations with the null worthless “thing” called Mohammed Younis Al-Ahmed and his anti-Ba’athist, anti-Iraqi splinter group.
As for Izzat Ibrahim Al-Douri, trust my word, he is a pure-hearted, incorruptible revolutionary as well as a fervent Sufi definitely uninterested in the pursuit of earthly power and glory.
You should not take everything that comes out of the AMSI as gospel truth only because their letters of appreciation flattered your little ego and made you feel like a REAL professional journalist ;-)
They are certainly patriotic people, but also terribly naive and limited in their vision (as all clericalists are).
Try to think with your own brain, will you ? Good boy ! :-)
Best wishes.
Well, we’ve passed you the word, haven’t we ;)
The war is in a turning point http://theunitedstatesofmonsters.blogspot.com/ so to get some understanding what’s it all about read the 5 latest posts with care.
@NDHF:
Your word is worthless, and so will your defamation campaign be deemed by posterity.
Tell your buddies in the counterinsurgency media front not to delude themselves that they can change the course of history, for they are but impotent witnesses before the will of the revolutionary people of Iraq.
Regards.
Hello fellow posters,
Can someone please tell me who in here has links to either of the remaining wings of the Baath party?
A sure way to distinguish between CLOSET COLLABORATORS and principled Iraqi nationalists in the ranks of the Resistance is to compare and contrast NEGOTIATING CONDITIONS.
According to a credible report on Conflicts Forum: http://conflictsforum.org/2007/rices-stillborn-talks-with-the-iraqi-resistance/
1. The United States must agree to enlarge the current national reconciliation endeavor to include all political parties, including the major parties of the Iraqi resistance movement;
2. The [quisling] Iraqi government should without any preconditions grant and adhere to a national pardon and full amnesty for those who were part of the resistance;
3. The United States and the Iraqi government must agree to abolish all aspects of the current de-Baathification law and return Baathist officials to their positions in the government and in the military;
4. Starting immediately the United States and the Iraqi government must agree to the dismantling of all militias and death squads and bring their leaders to justice;
5. The United States and the Iraqi government must agree to abolish all programs aimed at federating the country into three regions;
6. The United States and the Iraqi government must approve a plan to equitably distribute oil revenues fairly to all Iraqi provinces.
Compare and contrast Al-Dhari’s charter for capitulation and collaboration with the negotiating conditions set out in the THE POLITICAL PROGRAM OF THE BA’ATH AND ITS NATIONAL RESISTANCE: The Program of Liberation and Independence (first published in September 2003 and last revised in October 2006): http://www.al-moharer.net/qiwa_shabiya/baath-oct-06e.htm.
Abu Mohammed, the political spokesman of the Arab Ba’ath Socialist party (Iraq Leadership) and the JIHAD AND LIBERATION FRONT (which incorporates the Iraqi Patriotic Alliance and other Arab nationalist amd patriotic communist currents) reiterated these demands in recent interviews: http://www.nodo50.org/iraq/2007/docs/22–10-07-Entrevista_Abu_Mohamad.html
1) The US should fully recognize the National Iraqi Resistance in all its armed and non-armed factions as the sole representative of the great people of Iraq.
2) The US should announce the total and UNCONDITIONAL WITHDRAWAL from Iraq during a time schedule determined in coordination between the heroic Iraqi Resistance and the occupier.
3) The US and its allies should acknowledging that the invasion of Iraq constituted an aggression which has absolutely no international legitimacy, was immoral and unethical, and accept full responsibility for the consequences of the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq, and the genocidal sanctions which preceded it, by paying reparations to the state and people of Iraq.
4) The US should not only rescind all illegal laws passed since the invasion, but also annul all Security Council resolutions against Iraq (based on article 7) from 1991 until now, as these were based on lies.
5) The US should free all Iraqi prisoners without exception and annul all trials held under the illegal occupation.
6) The US should halt all military actions and raids against Iraqis undertaken under the pretext that they belong to the Resistance.
7) The US should hand over the collaborators who committed high treason against their own country and people to the Patriotic Front government to be established by representatives of the factions of the Iraqi National Resistance.
There is a growing mountain of evidence indicating that a cabal of RENEGADE EX-BA’ATHISTS (around usurper Mohammed Younis Al-Ahmed) and COWARDLY CLERICS are preparing to SELL OUT Iraq and reinstall CIA agent Ayad Allawi – hand-picked by the Yanks in 2004! – as puppet prime minister of a transitional technocratic government beholden to the US.
These miserable defeatists are so ashamed of their sordid side deals with the US that they and their friends – including the evil Finns at NDHF – have resorted to a VILE SMEAR CAMPAIGN against the only genuinely patriotic Resistance organisations that have not taken the American bait: the ARAB BA’ATH SOCIALIST PARTY (IRAQ LEADERSHIP) and the JIHAD AND LIBERATION FRONT!!
Long live the Iraqi armed revolution!
May the despicable be despised! We know who you are!!
Follow the link Alison provides to see, that what’s actually said is this:
Al-Dari flatly refused the idea of conducting any direct meetings with U.S. officials until the United States had responded positively to six “decisive demands” of “the Sunni Resistance and Opposition to the American Occupation of the Nation of Two Rivers.”
After this the six conditions follow.
The issue is that the six points are not the negotiation demands of AMSI, but only the preconditions that the U.S. must positively fulfill before AMSI even considers to meet the U.S. so to present their actual demands (such as U.S. withdrawal, compensation and all the others).
As none of the AMSI conditions for meeting has not been satisfied, forget about any negotiations, a delusional idea anyway, since the U.S. “negotiates” only with its puppets, a monology of Gogol’s Madman style.
In contrast to this, the Baath is sitting there “negotiating” unconditionally with al-Maliki, al-Hakim, al-Sadr, al-Barzani, al-Petraeus, al-Bush, al-Crocker. Good luck.
On the basis of the most recent U.S. military maneuvers the U.S. has no intentions whatsoever to negotiate with the Armed Iraqi Resistance (i.e. Al-Jihad and Reform Front, Al-Jihad and Change Front and the southern groups), so that this war is not going to end to any negotiations. The only thing that happens is that the negotiating baathists sell the party and its members to the U.S., which now become the enemies of the Iraqi Resistance.
@ Alison: Previously you claimed that we’ve been posing around as if claiming to be representatives of AMSI. This time you associate the AMSI meeting — and just meeting — conditions to the unarmed Baath (except the Sunni sectarian milita now in formation) surrender pact.
We do not know is it that you simply do not understand what you are supposed to read or are you involved in this hideous plot propaganding the coup, and to tell you the truth, we do not care: there are no negotiations of whatsoever to be expected from the part of the Armed Iraqi Resistance or its political arm, the Association of Muslim Scholars in Iraq, because the U.S. does not intend to negotiate with them either, but put forth one more deception, negotiate with the phony resistance so to give the world a picture as if dealing with the resistance.
There are no negotiations, but a couple of Baathists offering pussy to the Waffen U.S.
So to sort this out, we’ve agreed with an old friend to come out with a couple of clarifying reports, first with one on Muhammad Younis al-Ahmed (or Ahmad), then with another one on Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri. We cannot promise you any timetable as we have to synchronize their release (and especially the latter) with the actions of the Armed Iraqi Resistance, but we wouldn’t be surprised if the first one was out in the shops already this week.
Until then, ta ta
NDHF Analysis Team
BTW: Britain backed US plans for Ba’ath party clearout in Iraq, documentary alleges
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0„2201058,00.html
@ T.
you said : As for Izzat Ibrahim Al-Douri, trust my word, he is a pure-hearted, incorruptible revolutionary as well as a fervent Sufi definitely uninterested in the pursuit of earthly power and glory.
Funny how a miserable preofessional ice-seller is so uninterested in the pursuit of earthly power and glory became such a high-ranking member fo the Baath gang. Is that the explanation fo rhis lack of ambition and non-existant accomplishments durign the baath dictatorship? He certainly was the butt of many jokes in iraq, concernign his incompetence and worthlessness.
Or perhaps it was just a mtter of him haing no talents or skills, apart from a proclivity for brown-nosing and an ability to ignore morality?
Was he even successful at pushing his ice-cart around the streets?
thanks to the baath and saddam and izzat ibrahim and his likes that a scum like u furat learned how to read nd write in english.
go and check the fleas in ur hair first.
I am glad NDHF editors don’t dispute the excellent article on Conflicts Forum (see link above) detailing the opening of back-channel communications between the US administration and potential COLLABORATORS in the ranks of the Resistance, and identifying AMSI General Secretary HARITH AL-DHARI as a key player in what can only be described as a CONSPIRACY against the Iraqi National Resistance involving the Gulf Cooperation Council-plus-two (i.e. the US and the UK), members of AMSI and renegade Ba’athists.
As described in the article, Al-Dhari’s charter for capitulation and collaboration was put to Masoud Barzani by US National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley. Contacts with renegade Ba’athists around MOHAMMED YOUNIS AL-AHMED swiftly ensued. Al-Ahmed agreed to do a deal with the Americans and hijack the leadership Ba’ath Party if the Americans agreed to EXPEDITE THE LIQUIDATION of President Saddam Hussein. They duly obliged and Al-Ahmed also kept his word. (An approach was also made to Tariq Aziz, who refused to be a party to such a vile conspiracy.)
More details of the secret talks between the Americans and renegade Ba’athists in November 2006 are provided by Tom Hayden: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-hayden/documents-reveal-secret-t_b_34834.html
I have always held Harith Al-Dhari in high esteem and I have been extremely reluctant to suspect him of foul play, but the evidence against him has been mounting up for some time.
I fear that many brave and principled men in the Resistance factions affiliated with AMSI have been and are being BETRAYED.
Perkele. (A notorious Finnish curse, well preserved in the Finnish oral and literal tradition http://www.google.com/search?q=perkele&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
)
Once again, Alison is forgering nonsense, as usual:
§1. Her initial commenting has nothing to do with the Tom Hayden article linked at the bottom of the crap. It is pure propaganda with no connections whatsoever to the real world.
§2. Nowhere in the article linked it is said that any of the Armed Iraqi Resistance formations (now belonging to Al-Jihad and Change Front or Al-Jihad and Reform front or AMSI) would be negotiating with the U.S. (and naturally they won’t, since the U.S. hasn’t satisfied the six conditions mentioned above).
§3. What is said there is that the U.S. is “American officials have contacted Sunni nationalist insurgents to explore a cease-fire “. This could mean anybody, the U.S. standardly calling the Iraqi Resistance “Al-Qaida” and the Baathists traitors (as in the last summer in Diyala) “concerned local nationalists” and “former insurgents” and other rot of the sort.
§4. All that ensued from the part of Al-Jihad, Change and Reform Front + AMSI of this was that they delivered the six conditions under which AMSI would agree to meet the U.S. so to open the real negotiations about the U.S. withdrawal.
§5. Alison’s comment is a total distraction, she obviously wanting to deliberately turn the attention from the Baath treason (their “negotiations”) to baseless claims about AMSI. The Tom Hayden article is completely outdated (going all the way back to 2006), or rather in zero point, the U.S. not having satisfied a single condition out of six, nor there are any signs of that. So we haven’t even bothered to bother AMSI with idiotic questions of its genuineness.
§6. The AMSI position is clear enough from the article Alison quotes which I, on the behalf of our crew, would like to summarize so to quit this nonsense:
U.S. efforts to salvage some respectability from its collapsing position in Iraq.
(… Here the six conditions follow …)
A representative of the Muslim Council [i.e. AMSI] noted, however, that he and the leadership of the council doubted that either the United States or the Iraqi government would agree to these demands and further, that the Iraqi Shiite Alliance would firmly veto any such proposal.
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In other words, Bush and his buddies (through their blow-job girl Rice) whined to “negotiate” with the Iraqi Resistance through their political arm, the Association of Muslim Scholars in Iraq, which didn’t and does not want to have any of it, turning Bush’s deception flat down.
This is what is going on.
For those interested in the big picture of the Diyala counterinsurgency war (a.k.a. the “surge”), Baath deception and the parts played by numerous U.S. puppets in it, read carefully through our recent report on the issue:
IRAQ: The Orders-of-Battle and the Strategic Situation of the Occupiers of Iraq, the United States of Israel and Iran in November 2007
http://theunitedstatesofmonsters.blogspot.com/2007/10/iraq-orders-of-battle-and-strategic.html
Having gone through that you’ll master the plottings of the U.S., Iranian and Israeli occupiers and their minions we’ll enough.
Editor Louhi
p.s. @ Alison: On your previous comment you wrote:
“May the despicable be despised! We know who you are!!”
We’re not sure to whom do you refer with this?
AMSI? The Armed Iraqi Resistance? NDHF?
We’d be delighted should you clarify this mystical line so to avoid misunderstandings ;)
Finally, we’d like to make a mention of the following:
Though we’re highly tolerant and lovely chaps, the thing is the Baathist traitors made a huge Waffen U.S. assisted ethnic cleansing, driving at least some 600,000+ Iraqis as refugees, and killing scores of people there. This is a very serious crime against the humanity and mankind (not to even mention the Iraqi people) and by partaking in the Baath traitors propaganda effort to mask these crimes you’re about to become commit in the actions above.
The International Court (where the Bush gang with its servants will end up) does not fully pardon only because of someone being misled we seriously advise you to carefully reconsider your position before proceeding any further: while we appreciate that at least someone in the tellingly silent baath circles is willing to discuss on this topic thoroughly it seems to us that you should think about the following:
In several of your comments you underlined the Latin formula “bona fide” attitude (meaning “(in) good faith”). In any business in which parties such as the Waffen U.S., Israel and Iran are the main participants, good faith is totally out of question.
The “secret” U.S.-Israeli led global government has no friends except itself, so that it will deceive all and everybody in their turn, all this starting from the “negotiations” on which Salah al-Mukhtar instructed the baathists to proceed with.
Once these monsters have got what they want from those that are able to assist them in what they want they come disposable slaves. Baath is not — with the assistance of Al-Mukhtar and Al-Douri — going back to Iraq so to reclaim the country, but to provide it slavers, rapers and murderers for the occupation forces. This is not a glorious return, but a disgraceful end of the Old Baath.
Have you ever considered the possibility that you’ve been deceived by those you’ve put your faith into?
If not, do it now.
p.s. Do not forget to tell what you meant by “May the despicable be despised! We know who you are!!”
What utter CRAP!! Let everyone compare the two sets of demands – those of Al-Dhari and those of the Arab Ba’ath Socialist Party (Iraq Leadership) – set out in my comment posted on 31 October (see above).
By no stretch of the imagination can Al-Dhari’s TREACHEROUS and DEFEATIST demands, endorsed by renegade Ba’athists, be interpreted as preconditions for the SUBSTANTIVE and PRINCIPLED demands set out in the THE POLITICAL PROGRAM OF THE BA’ATH AND ITS NATIONAL RESISTANCE (first published in September 2003 and last revised in October 2006): http://www.al-moharer.net/qiwa_shabiya/baath-oct-06e.htm
Al-Dhari has SUBSTITUTED a secret programme of CAPITULATION and COLLABORATION – endorsed America’s Arab clients, Saudi Arabia etc, Jordan and Egypt (the Gulf Cooperation Council-plus-two) — for the programme of LIBERATION and INDEPENDENCE published by the Arab Ba’ath Socialist Party (Iraq Leadership).
For the last year, the USA has been pressuring Al-Maliki’s quisling government to implement Al-Dhari’s treacherous and defeatist programme, designed to SALVAGE THE OCCUPATION, including the legalisation of a SURROGATE collaborationist Ba’ath Party led by that miserable renegade Mohammed Younis Al-Ahmed.
These demands are straight out of the Ba’ath programme for Liberation and Independence (see above). The Arab Ba’ath Socialist Party (Iraq Leadership) and the Jihad and Liberation Front will never compromise on these demands, unlike the two-faced Al-Dhari and the despicable Mohammed Younis Al-Ahmed, who have been engaging in surreptitious back-channel negotiations with the occupiers, facilitated and mediated by America’s pathetic and dishonourable Arab satraps and their protege, CIA agent Allawi.
We have seen it all before! Remember how those miserable two-faced clerics persuaded politically naive Resistance fighters to participate in US sponsored elections in 2005 under false pretences, arguing that their elected representatives would hasten the end of the occupation. Remember how they trooped out like sheep to the slaughter and voted for the Accordance Front and the National Dialogue Front, parties that beg for favours from their American masters from morning until night and whose treacherous, defeatist programme, designed to salvage the occupation, is virtually identical to the one communicated to Stephen Hadley by Harith Al-Dhari.
I repeat what I said in my previous comment: There is a growing mountain of evidence indicating that a cabal of RENEGADE EX-BA’ATHISTS (around usurper Mohammed Younis Al-Ahmed) and COWARDLY CLERICS are preparing to SELL OUT Iraq and reinstall CIA agent Ayad Allawi – hand-picked by the Yanks in 2004! – as puppet prime minister of a transitional technocratic government beholden to the US.
These miserable defeatists are so ashamed of their sordid side deals with the US that they and their friends – including the evil Finns at NDHF – have resorted to a VILE SMEAR CAMPAIGN against the only genuinely patriotic Resistance organisations that have not taken the American bait: the ARAB BA’ATH SOCIALIST PARTY (IRAQ LEADERSHIP) and the JIHAD AND LIBERATION FRONT!!
May the despicable be despised!!
Nothing new in Alison’s comment, move on…
In the passage already quoted by us above:
Now, then to the accusations of Alison, writing:
§1. “Al-Dhari has SUBSTITUTED a secret programme of CAPITULATION and COLLABORATION“
§2. “Al-Dhari’s TREACHEROUS and DEFEATIST demands, designed to SALVAGE THE OCCUPATION“
§3. “Al-Dhari and other CLOSET COLLABORATORS in the high echelons of AMSI are HOODWINKING their own followers” [meaning the Al-Jihad and Change Front and Al-Jihad and Reform Front displayed in the Guardian article mentioned above]”
As it happens, the NEWSDESK HELSINKI FINLAND has been recently taking heavy measures so to portray in our newsdesk this so-called “treacherous”, “defeatist” secret program of “CAPITULATION” and “COLLABORATION” of Al-Dhari, and the AMSI “CLOSET COLLABORATORS” and “their own followers”, Al-Jihad and Change Front and Al-Jihad and Reform Front designed to “SALVAGE THE OCCUPATION”: nowdays nearly every our reposting is describing how these parties are collaborating with the U.S. so to “help” them exit Iraq. For those interested in this splendid, glorious and historical combat against the Occupation forces, check out our site in the address: http://theunitedstatesofmonsters.blogspot.com/
Editor Louhi
“The Mujahideen promised and they delivered” :
On Baath Party I: Hommage à Iraqi Army 5th Corps Headquarters and the Al-Jihad and Reform Front
http://theunitedstatesofmonsters.blogspot.com/2007/11/on-baath-party-i-hommage-iraqi-army-5th.html
@ Louhi & Co.
How much did the COLLABORATIONIST Mohammed Younis Al-Ahmed pay you ?
Just watch those venomous serpents at NDHF slither away from the topic in hand, now that the smokescreen created by their evil smears has been blown away and the SHAMEFUL TRUTH about the central role of Harith Al-Dhari and other officials of the Association of Muslim Scholars in Iraq (AMSI) in the ongoing CONSPIRACY against the heroic Iraqi National Resistance has been exposed once and for all!
Source: http://conflictsforum.org/2007/rices-stillborn-talks-with-the-iraqi-resistance/
1. The United States must agree to ENLARGE the current [US sponsored] national reconciliation endeavor to include all political parties, including the major parties of the Iraqi resistance movement [notably the surrogate, collaborationist Ba’ath Party led by M. Y. Al-Ahmed];
2. The [quisling] Iraqi government should without any preconditions grant and adhere to a national pardon and full AMNESTY for those who WERE [!] part of the resistance;
3. The United States and the [quisling] Iraqi government must agree to abolish all aspects of the current de-Baathification law and return Baathist officials to their positions in the government and in the MILITARY [under the command and control of the US military and the quisling Iraqi government!];
4. Starting immediately the United States and the [quisling] Iraqi government must agree to the dismantling of all militias and death squads and bring their leaders to justice;
5. The United States and the [quisling] Iraqi government must agree to abolish all programs aimed at federating the country into three regions;
6. The United States and the [quisling] Iraqi government must approve a plan to equitably distribute oil revenues fairly to all Iraqi provinces.
As explained in my comment posted on 3 November, for the past year the USA has been pressuring Al-Maliki’s quisling government to implement Al-Dhari’s SECRET PROGRAMME OF CAPITULATION AND COLLABORATION, designed to SALVAGE THE OCCUPATION, including the rehiring of ex-Ba’athist military personnel by the occupation / quisling authorities and the legalisation of a SURROGATE collaborationist Ba’ath Party led by usurper Mohammed Younis Al-Ahmed.
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@ Khudair :
We are having this “money” discussion with Furat also http://www.roadstoiraq.com/2007/10/26/the-green-zone-government-negotiates-with-the-ba%e2%80%99ath-party/#comment-70026
There we already asked twicec what is this rubbish about money, everyone around apparently interested only of that while there’s a very serious war going on in Iraq, which we partake siding with the Armed and Political Iraqi resistance.
We’re Finns, not knowing the details of some Baath bank accounts or anything of the sort. What is this greed and why is everyone interested in money?
We do not ask this just for fun, but because we Finns dislike all sorts of hidden agendas and money movements altogether, our country topping the title for the “least corrupt country” for five years straight (we’re always on a medal position anyway):
Finland keeps title of least corrupt country
http://newsroom.finland.fi/stt/showarticle.asp?intNWSAID=16816&group=General
26.9.2007 at 12:10
Berlin-based NGO Transparency International said in a report on Wednesday that Finland was the world’s least corrupt country alongside Denmark and New Zealand.
Although Finland kept its shared first place, Transparency International said Finland’s perceived corruption level had risen somewhat from last year.
“That is probably mostly attributable to a few cases of suspected corruption that have come to light over the past couple of years,” said Antti Pihlajamäki of Transparency Finland.
A country’s Corruption Perceptions Index score indicates the degree of public-sector corruption as perceived by businesses and country analysts. On a scale of nil (highly corrupt) to 10 (highly clean), Denmark, Finland and New Zealand are all rated at 9.4. At the bottom of the heap are Burma and Somalia with a score of 1.4.
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This so being we Finns are nearly totally inexperienced in all sorts of corruption (i.e. rather innocent or as some cultures see that: stupid) and we simply do not know what you mean by asking things such as
“How much did the COLLABORATIONIST Mohammed Younis Al-Ahmed pay you?”
We have no contact with Mr. Younis, but should his position in the IR be as the information available on him, compiled in our recent article (cf. the link in our previous comment above) seems to suggest, we assure you that we wouldn’t take a coin from him, because all the money he is possession of is in possession of is very apparently going to the arming of the honourable Iraqi Resistance, so to defend the Iraqi people, very much more in need than we are. We’d never take a coin from such a noble purpose for our pockets.
Dismiss ALISON’s comments. Nothing there. We’ve already explained above how the U.S. whined to meet with AMSI, getting the response
AMSI knows the forked U.S. tongue and never believed that the U.S. would agree on any of the six conditions, saying:
A representative of the Muslim Council [i.e. AMSI] noted, however, that he and the leadership of the council doubted that either the United States or the Iraqi government would agree to these demands and further, that the Iraqi Shiite Alliance would firmly veto any such proposal.
Then the truth:
According to all the indicators available, in this year (or the beginning of the next) you’ll witness the armed Iraqi Resistance (Al-Jihad and Reform Front, Al-Jihad and Change Front and the Southern groups) as well as their political wing (AMSI) delivering the U.S. and the other occupiers maximum one final warning so to withdraw immediately or becoming crushed by the Iraqi Resistance.
The thing is that the Iraqi Resistance, no more than AMSI are negotiating with the U.S., al-Maliki or anything alike, because they do not have to. The truth is that the Iraqi Resistance operates from the position of strength, meaning that there is nothing it could get from the occupier it couldn’t get itself. There are no negotiations between the Iraqi Resistance and the occupiers simply because there is nothing to negotiate, except that the Resistance is still letting the immediate withdrawal card to lay on the table for the Waffen U.S., because they know that the incoming resistance assault will maul and beat the U.S. so badly that the U.S. will cause further destruction in the country what the resistance — protecting it — would like to avoid.
But when this window of opportunity closes it does so fast so not to give the enemy any chances.
In short, the withdrawal conditions of the Armed Iraqi Resistance are very simple:
The Occupiers can either withdraw immediately — or die.
This, and nothing more is the Resistance withdrawal negotiation pact in November 2007.
If the U.S. will not take the pact before it’s too late, they will only DIE.
Spokeseditor Louhi (NDHF)
Do not forget to read our previous analysis piece:
On Baath Party I: Hommage à Iraqi Army 5th Corps Headquarters and the Al-Jihad and Reform Front
http://theunitedstatesofmonsters.blogspot.com/2007/11/on-baath-party-i-hommage-iraqi-army-5th.html
We’re most delighted to discuss with you on this, though intend to turn our attention to al-Qaida next (there being a couple of open issues still to be cover there).
Top of the league for anti-corruption?
A list of your contributions to improving the human rights situation in Iraq when Saddam was in power:
1– nothing
2– not a murmur
3– not a single whisper
4– er, that’s it.
@Louhi and Co.
You are NOT Finns.
You are ARABS, and COLLABORATIONIST ones.
WE have learned to know those of your debased kind at a DEAR…SO VERY dear price…
So stop making fools of yourselves on this respectable web site and think of enjoying your miserable “moment of glory” to the full instead…for it shall not last for ever…
WHEN the Revolution is restored (for there is no “if”), nothing on earth or in heaven will save those of your debased kind from the infinite wrath of the LOYAL People of Iraq.
You have OUR word for it.
(Dis)regards to Mohammed, Iyad, Bashar, George etc.
Iraq’s devoted servant,
Khudair
I just found I repeated “those of your debased kind” twice.
You must understand… We love to repeat ourselves ;-)
Have sweet dreams…
@ Khudair: “You are NOT Finns. You are ARABS, and COLLABORATIONIST ones.“
– Rubbish. As we’ve understood the term “Arab” means anyone mastering the Arabic language. We do not. Should we be Arabs (nothing wrong with that), we’d be VERY MUCH MORE CAPABLE of sorting this war out, not babbling here, but translating the crucial Arabic news into English, just as our lovable host LadyBird is doing here. Instead, now having to base ourselves on the second-hand English translations + google and numerous
Here’s an article explaining some of our position as Finns in this mess:
AFGHANISTAN: Finland, NATO, U.S. and Depleted Uranium
http://www.uruknet.de/?p=35353
Following the embedded active links, you’ll find out more about us. Also, use our search engine with “Finland” to find out that we know well enough, often more than our govt. We’re Finns, no doubt of that.
@ “A list of your contributions to improving the human rights situation in Iraq when Saddam was in power:”
- We do not know nothing of that, and have had no time to resolve out anything of the sort just now. The humanitarian situation in Iraq has been so bad in the last couple of years that we’ve volunteered to join in and help the Iraqi people, never minding a shit of their sect or other trash of the sort.
We do not have time to find out about the past, we’re combating the Enemy, the occupiers, siding with the Resistance in that, not chatting about the ideas.
Now, excuse us, we’re back in reposting, the war, destroying the occupiers is our cup of tea.… If interested in assisting us in that, do so, do not take our time with chit-chat.
NDHF
We’re still interested in hearing what is this money issue all about. We’re Finns, not in possession of the fact, so that if you want to tell us something, pass us info like LadyBird does.
LOL @ NDHF’s pretences at innocence (not innocence vs guilt, but innocence vs worldly knowledge)
I’m a virgin, so I have no idea what sex means.…
When you are not interested in the history of the baath, refuse to call them occupiers, and support them unconditionally .….
Especially as you call yourself a newsdesk, it is only natural to assume you are currying favour and trying to earn a place as one of their many media mouthpieces around the world.