Islamtoday interviewed Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood Guide [or Chief] Mahdi Akif, there were two interesting questions and answers:
Q: What is your response to the rumors about the group is controlled by businessmen who control the decision-making of the group?
A: I do not respond to such nonsense, and people has nothing to do only talk about these accusations, and I am a realistic man, I say: We are the Muslim Brotherhood group and our principles rooted in Egyptian society, they are clear, crystal clear … our men and women are members in the parliament, but the real Brotherhood exist in the Egyptian street.
Q: Why the Brotherhood do not call Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, to stop violent acts that distort the image of Islam, and to review their approach to the service of Islam and Muslims?
A: We do not issue calls to anyone; Because we believe that the “Bin Laden”, the entire Al-Qaeda, is American-made from the start till the end, and there is nothing called Al Qaeda, the Americans have goals (implementing them) under the threats of Al Qaeda, “bin Laden”, which are all false.
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Yeah blame someone else.
Ignore the fact that a huge proportion of people in many countries, support this terrorist group.
Whether it’s fictional or not, there is a problem.
Furat not sure where YOU get your information about “huge proportion” is it the same media that has the last years been telling us lies after lies and half truths?
Anyhow what ever it is AlQaida have been used as a mean to futher some peoples agendas by a war called war on terror and that is indeed as you said where we have a problem.
@ Thanx, LB. We’re just working on our al-Qaida report and this MB stuff fits perfectly in the picture we’re potraying there of AQ. Needless to say, the piece will be reposted as soon as the other stuff is delivered.
On the comment “Ignore the fact that a huge proportion of people in many countries, support this terrorist group.“
– Some may actually do that, but only because believing in the phony media front in which the group is portrayed as if fighting the Americans (while the truth is very much the opposite).
What comes to Iraq, the Noble, Heroic Iraqi Resistance does not support collaborators, in this case the al-Qaida Saudi mercenary sectarian militia any more than the Iraqi people:
“In last June seven most important Middle and Northern Iraqi Resistance groups fighting the U.S. and the Iranian occupations agreed to form a public political alliance in Damascus (Syria). The leaders of the three groups involved, the 1920 Revolution Brigades, Ansar al-Sunna and Iraqi Hamas stated that the “new front brings together the main Sunni-based armed organisations except al-Qaida and the Ba’athists.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0„2129675,00.html
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Nadia– if I’m wrong, then that’s the best news I’ve heard ever.
I would be very pleased if I am wrong on this one. Please show me some stats.…?
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I thought al Qaeda was a descendant of Muslim Brotherhood
Mark E. — that does not mean they would not jump into bed with ANYONE if they saw some way of gaining from it.
Here’s our recent analysis on al-Qaida if you’re interested:
IRAQ: On Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaida in Iraq
http://theunitedstatesofmonsters.blogspot.com/2007/11/iraq-on-osama-bin-laden-and-al-qaida-in.html
It’s a shame your virulent hatred of occupation doesn’t extend to hatred of baathy fascist occupations.
@ Furat: if the comment “It’s a shame your virulent hatred of occupation doesn’t extend to hatred of baathy fascist occupations” is meant to us, let us tell a little story:
Last time the big business had this nutty idea of World War (the Second), against Europe, with the same general idea as now, of selling arms, occupying and dividing that the outcome was as follows:
§1. According to the official story only two countries involved in the combat actions made out of the mess without getting occupied. The countries in question were England and Finland. In truth, the truth is even more gloomy:
§2. Spain was occupied as well, but already in the WW II testing of the Nazi and Soviet weapons (where they tested their capabilities just as the U.S. and NATO did in Balkans to practice the division (of Iraq) procedure in the former Yugoslavia in the ‘90s), so that Spain got in to the mess as well as the Muslim satellite countries in the northern Africa and the Middle East.
§3. What comes to England, that country was equally occupied as well as it became the launching pad of the reconquest of the Europe where the U.S. troops have stayed ever since.
§4. Squarely, the bottom line is that Finland is the SOLE COUNTRY IN THE EUROPE INVOLVED IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR THAT WAS NOT OCCUPIED and that was because we Finns, however small people and country threw all the occupation forces, the Red (Soviet) Army (twice) and the NAZI Armed Forces (that turned against us in 1944) fuck out of our country.
There is a definite relation between the attitudes of the NESWDESK HELSINKI FINLAND and these events: just because our country warded off all the forms of occupation and made out of all the sectarian conflicts related to the plots of the occupiers, we Finns are not like much of the other no-ball whiners in many of the European countries these days, offering their asses and pussies to the Americans and Iranians (according to their tastes) and doing blow-job to all the directions.
While the Finnish government might not perhaps exactly love the NDHF crew, there’s been absolutely no harassment towards us from their part. In this sense Finland is the most Free Country in the world, and that is because we Finns chose to resist and expel the occupiers of our country.
This, providing the same possibilities to all the Iraqis now and in the future as we Finns have had because able to get rid of the occupiers is why we’re so strongly against the occupation(s).
So what comes to e.g. Baath, we do not understand a word of your argument: as you should know if you have read our previous reports on Baath, there is no such thing, but the occupation has splintered that at least to two, possibly more factions, as we reported previously in these items:
IRAQ: The Orders-of-Battle and the Strategic Situation of the Occupiers of Iraq, the United States of Israel and Iran in November 2007
http://theunitedstatesofmonsters.blogspot.com/2007/10/iraq-orders-of-battle-and-strategic.html
On Baath Party I: Hommage à Iraqi Army 5th Corps Headquarters and the Al-Jihad and Reform Front
http://theunitedstatesofmonsters.blogspot.com/2007/11/on-baath-party-i-hommage-iraqi-army-5th.html
On the “Knights” of the “Brigades of the Jihad in the Land of the Two Rivers“
http://theunitedstatesofmonsters.blogspot.com/2007/11/on-knights-of-brigades-of-jihad-in-land.html
Speaking of Baath party makes no sense for us, not keeping an antique shop, but a news agency covering events very close to the reality in Iraq today. So, if you’d like to have us attacking more e.g. against the Baath, you should provide us links and details of the Baath section you mean and tell us who, why and in which manner they’re currently assisting the occupiers and prove that. We’ll turn against them as any party siding with any occupier of Iraq, whether from U.S., Israel or Iran or any other country.
Just as with Al-Qaida reporting (mentioned above), our reporting and analysis aims at identifying the occupiers, because it them (whether originated in U.S., Iran, Israel or any other country now involved in the aggression) that are against the Iraqi people, and should they succeed all the other Arab countries right after.
NEWSDESK HELSINKI FINLAND has no own agenda nor any demands towards the future liberated Iraq or its government(s), we simply like the idea of preserving countries capable of resist evil plots of occupiers in the surface of the earth (such as Finland, Vietnam and so on), if not for other reasons, then perhaps because “not feeling so lonely” as we Finns were if became the sole non-occupied entity around ;)
The NDHF attitudes against the occupation are not characterized by “virulent hatred of occupation”, but simple observations based on the comparisons of the Europeans and the Finns. According to our analysis an occupation, letting foreign troops install their bases in your beloved country and letting them stay there for decades makes people un-independent idiots, taking sectarian sides and babbling for this or that party to “help” them, while the truth is that no occupation ever in the history of manking has chosen to help anyone else except itself.
Needless to say, we’re greatly affiliated to the ASSOCIATION of MUSLIM SCHOLARS in IRAQ, who in their analysis have reached the exactly same non-sectarian conclusions as we have:
Occupation is Godmother of the Problems
http://heyetnet.org/en/content/view/104/34/
As the Finns got help from the press of the world during the first invasion of our country by the Soviets during the so-called Winter War, the NEWSDESK HELSINKI FINLAND does side with the Iraqi Resistance, not unlike the Finnish one during the WW II so to shorten the debt of honour our country got during the war.
Spokeseditor Louhi + NEWSDESK HELSINKI FINLAND
NDHF– you mentioned some interesting stuff, most of which is not directly relevant to the point I made.
I was too dumb to notice, but in all your long post, yo unever mentioned what you thought of the baathy fascist occupation of Iraq. I was too distracted by you congratulating yourself and blowing your own trumpet.
So let me ask you again– in clearer terms– what is your opinion fo the baathy fascist occupation of Iraq?
@Furat
You should know that NDHF, poor things, have no personal opinions on Iraqi affairs, just like Ambassador Glaspie…
And just like the Nazi footsoldiers in WWII, they limit themselves to “obeying the (editorial) orders” — namely of the traitor and collaborator Mohammed Younis Al-Ahmed and his unaware (?) pawns in AMSI.
@ “what is your opinion fo the baathy fascist occupation of Iraq?“
– We are unaware of any baathy facist occupation of Iraq at the moment. According to the information we’re in possession of the current occupiers of Iraq are the U.S. (and its western minions), Iran (and its supporters) and Israel (through their Mossad agents making havoc in the Northern Iraq).
Currently, we see the relevance of some Baath members to the situation of Iraq in the so-called “political reconciliation”: After the Iranian-Mossad puppet government (especially al-Maliki and Barzani) failed to enflame an all-out civil war in Iraq the al-Maliki “govt” dead-ended.
So to proceed with the Iraq partition plot and especially get its share of the oil robbery, the U.S. is in desperate need of getting a puppet Sunni political coalition of its own to provide it a “legitimate” front, consisting of Sunni collaborators, of which some appear to belong to the former Baath party (this is why there’s the babble of “de-baathification” enabling the Baathists in question to operate under the new plot).
As the passing of the oil and gas robbery law would enable the occupiers to steal (a.k.a. denationalize some 90% of the Iraqi national wealth) this move would result in the starvation and death of some 90% of the Iraqi people, i.e. some 20 million plus people, quite unrelated whether Sunnis, Shias, Kurds, Turkmen, Christians, Assyrians, atheists, or whatsoever.
Therefore we consider any collaborators, Baathists, Dawa’s, Sadrists, Al-Qaidists, Peshmergists, whatever partaking in such hideous treason as enemies.
Just because of the “political deadlock” we’re definitely and positively sure that currently there is no “the baathy fascist occupation of Iraq”, since should there be one at the moment, the U.S., Iran and Israel woudl have no difficulties whatsoever in including this element to their new “federal government” with Mossad double agents posing Kurds (especially Barzani) and with Shi’ite traitors (of al-Maliki calibre) and pass the oil robbery law.
If we’re mistaken, we’re most interested if you can provide any information of such facist Baathy occupation, we’ll certainly investigate that.
@ Victoria: on
§1. “NDHF (…) have no personal opinions on Iraqi affairs” you’re exactly right. There’s a lot, especially not directly related to the wars that the U.S. been waging that we do not know, so we cannot let our emotions direct our reporting.
§2. “(…) just like Ambassador Glaspie…(…)” What comes to this, we do know this: The asshole April Glaspie, the blow-job girl of the asshole James Baker and the King George the First (Bush) tricked the Saddam Hussein and Baath party to invade Kuwait telling that the U.S. wouldn’t mind about that (starting their own attack against them just a couple of days after the incident).
While we condemn the actions of the U.S. assholes what comes to this, we haven’t been able to learn anything what comes to the unexplained part of this issue, namely why the Iraqi govt of the time (in ‘90s, that is) swallowed the bite after the U.S. had already fooled them in the previous Iraq — Iran war, not only behind this, but also arming the both sides of the war?
Should anybody be able to brief us on this, we’d be very thankful, but also do note, we’re heavily focused on what’s going on in the Iraq today (and in the future because of that) because of our limited resources: the frontline is not in the past (that we’re uncapable of changing), but in preventing the occupiers of killing the Iraqi people tomorrow and the day after that.
– We disliked this a lot. Putting something in quotes as if we’ve said something like that, inventing our views is just as baseless as the previous claims of Alison and Meryem, both drawing up claims that we’ve been claiming to be members of AMSI, which we certainly are not (we’re not muslim scholars nor based in Iraq). Equally, we do not get any “(editorial) orders” from AMSI, the Jihad and Change Front, the Jihad and Reform Front or from the southern resistance groups, so it’s rubbish that we’d be following what we do not have (or get).
“(…) namely of the traitor and collaborator Mohammed Younis Al-Ahmed (…)
– Really, we’re getting tired of this Mohammed Younis al-Ahmed being a “traitor”, nobody never telling what the fuck is his treason then. We’d like to have some 100+ links of articles telling whom exactly has he “traitored” and how. We investigated this ourselves in the article mentioned above, and couldn’t find anything of the sort. Should he indeed be connected to the Al-Jihad and Reform Front as nearly everything seems to suggest, he’s certainly one of the persons that have hugely contributed to saving millions of Iraqi lives, not allowing the occupiers rob the Iraqi National Wealth, something that belongs only to the Iraqi people.
“(…) and his unaware (?) pawns in AMSI (…)“
– This is equally absurd: one of the main reason for the NDHF to follow closely the AMSI views and actions is just because AMSI has some 6000 scholars and huge number of other non-sectarian intellectuals around it, its opinions and actions being formed in common agreement basis which according to our experiences has resulted in AMSI being the best informed party in the Iraqi affairs existing.
We’ve felt that if there is something AMSI is certainly not, that’s unaware. The gentlemen of AMSI, the Battle Mages of our times, they do know.
@NDHF
You still haven’t answered my question which I asked you on another thread.
What do you think of the late BAATH Secretary-General and President of Iraq Saddam Hussein, his BAATHIST comrades martyred on the Occupation gallows along with him, and all other BAATHIST officials currently detained in the Occupation jails and awaiting the same tragic fate ?
Were/are they “collaborationists” as well in your prejudiced and hateful eyes ?????
– Why would they be? They were killed and/or detaineed. Collaborators — according to the definition — are those who well and alive work with the occupation (i.e. the ones like Allawi).
We agree with the resistance groups demanding the release of all the detainees. The occupation being illegal itself it has no right whatsoever to hold any detainees.
NDHF– you mentioned some interesting stuff, most of which is not directly relevant to the point I made.
I was too dumb to notice, but in all your long post, you never mentioned what you thought of the baathy fascist occupation of Iraq WHICH LASTED UPTO 2003. I was too distracted by you congratulating yourself and blowing your own trumpet.
So let me ask you again– in clearer terms– what is your opinion fo the baathy fascist occupation of Iraq UPTO 2003?
UPTO 2003
UPTO 2003
OR ARE YOU JUST PLAYING DUMB?
@NDHF
Don’t play the “robot”, please. You are not one, for all your efforts ;-)
Answer my question like a human being endowed with the ability of judgement:
What do YOU think of the above-mentioned BAATHIST heroes and martyrs who had build Iraq out of the dark ages of colonialism into a united, independent, strong, stable, prosperous, modern, secular, progressive, egalitarian country, the jewel in the crown of the Arab Nation and a beacon of hope for all freedom-loving people against US imperialism, Zionism and Khomeinism ?
And now answer this other one:
Don’t YOU think that, by waging now this sort of “Propaganda war” against what remains of that BAATH Party which had given so much to the country you claim to have at heart, you are INSULTING its History ?
Especially since it is a well-known fact that it was the then ruling Party which in its providential far-sightedness took good care to engineer, organize, arm and train the future Resistance years before the Invasion, thus ENABLING the people to fend for themselves as they are beautifully doing at the present…
Thank you for your patience :-)
Regards,
Tariq
@TARIQ:
Everyone knows the baath are a party of cunts.
@Furat
“Everyone knows the baath are a party of cunts”
Considering that “cunts” is the way you Safawi gang rapists call the proud and honorable WOMEN of Iraq…YES, it is also their Party, the ONLY Party in the Arab world that ever cared about them.
@NDHF
I am waiting for your reply…
Tariq: Your descriptions of the Baathists are inaccurate. The Baathists were a tool of the United States, Britain, and the rest of the west in containing Iran and spreading liberal, secular arab nationalism in the rest of the middle east. The CIA assisted them into gaining power through the overthrow of Abdul Karrim Kasam. Who can forget the handshake between Saddam and Rumsfeld. The women of Iraq who threw of the hijab were not free or modern or enlightened, they regressed back to the dark times of Jahaliyah and is Saddam had never got greedy with his oil revenues, or descided to assist Palestine in name of arab solidarity, he would still be a valued puppet of the west like Mubarak, al-Saud, the Generals in Turkey, or Perves Musharref.
The Baath party, as a representative of arab nationalism is a racist, ethnic-based organization that is more akin to Nazism than Islam.
Finally, I say that the leaders of most Iraqi Resistance factions (as nationalists and tribal hypocrites) are far more likely to be infilterated by the US, Israel, and the clien regimes of the Arab world as opposed to al-Qaidah — which is trying to overthrow them — something the association of scholars in iraq has never taken a position on. It is in the interest of the region as a whole tha Iraq disintegrates once and for all, as its borders are a shameful reminder of British imperialism. The way to security for the region is unity through Islam, and not through nationalism. When you fight for both of those things, it becomes too easy for the a determined enemy (like the US and Israel) to sow dissention between the ranks.
@Seymore
Just one little ideological clarification:
The Ba’ath is NOT an Iraqi or Syrian nationalist Party; it is a PAN-ARAB SOCIALIST Party.
We do NOT recognize the ARTIFICIAL Sykes-Picot borders, but advocate ONE Arab Homeland, united, free and egalitarian, FROM MAGHRIB TO MASHRIQ.
The rest you said on this thread and the other ones is a load of nursery-school like ignorant self-righteous Takfir CRAP, and of the most BORING type to boot, and I have no time on my hands to waste trying to make such a jackass see some human(istic) REASON.
Meryem, over to you :-)
@NDHF
I am STILL waiting for your reply ;-)
@ Tariq: Salam, I admire your patience with NDHF. It seems that they are awaiting further instructions from their masters in the USA, Israel, and Iran.
Remember in this context the wise words of Martyr President Saddam Hussein on the gallows:
“Heya hay il marjala…?” “Is this your manhood…?”.
@ Seymore: Do you really care about the Arab Ba’ath Socialist Party and its role in the Iraqi Resistance? So forget about the lies of mass destruction and the daily brainwash. Here are some more basics:
http://www.uruknet.info?p=37490
http://www.al-moharer.net/
http://www.workers.org/2007/world/iraq-1025/
As to the Iraqi women: I invite you to listen to the
Uncensored Arabwomanblues
http://www.arabwomanblues.blogspot.com/
Salam Meryem.
I know Layla Anwar’s blog(s). The other one, entirely dedicated to the Occupation, is called An Arab Woman Blues.
“His Eminence” Seymore pardon my “worldly” expression, but I have to say I have a voracious admiration for that great woman :-)
As for NDHF, they are “existential bankrupts” who got it all wrong about Life, just like their “patron” the unscupuled, villainous mafioso Mohammed Younis Al-Ahmed, and their fellow-“useful idiots” in the ultra-conservative clerical circles of the “New Iraq”.
If I did not despise them so viscerally, from the deepest bowels of my beloved Iraqi motherland which they are contributing to laying to waste, I would probably pity them for the miserable destiny of defeat and dishonor which the Ba’ath and its victorious Resistance have in store for those of their debased kind ;-)
Long after their names have been disgraced, ridiculed, and eventually fallen into oblivion, long after then and for all centuries to come, the names of the President Martyr Saddam Hussein, of his faithful comrades, and of all noble-hearted men and women of Iraq who gave their blood and souls in the cause of the national, Arab and human liberation, shall still be engraved in the skies, resplendent with the glory of Paradise, as fixed stars for all future generations to be guided on the right “course”.
Take care of yourself…
Regards.
@NDHF
Take your time, dear… I’m in no hurry ;-)
@Tariq: What a wonderful answer. My comments were based on the most basic principles of Islam, and not Takfir ideology, which is a point of great disagreement among scholars…heck it was a point of disagreement between al-Zarqawi and al-Zawahari for that matter. You whine and cry about how NHF ignores you (and I don’t blame them), yet you turn around and act just like them when a legitimate point is raised against your ideology.
@Meyem: I appreciate the links. I support the Resistance, even the baathists in the resistance. We disagree on the extent to which the baath party plays a role in the resistance (i say the are a tiny minority). We also disagree on who is working for whom and who is being fooled by whom. I believe that al-Qaidah is real and not a front for the west. I believe that the goal of the US is to destroy the Islamists and turn everyone against al-Qaidah as opposed to using al-Qaidah to further their agenda in Iraq — they don’t need al-Qaidah for that because they can make things up in the controlled media anytime they want.
Qaidah, as a pan-Islamic movement has the potentional to upset western/israeli plans in the entire muslim world, as opposed to just one country or one region. Thus, their goal is to split the mujahideen who fight only in God’s path, with the mujahideen who fight for “god and country”. The baathists fight primarily for country and ethnic pride, but again, I’m not convinced that they are playing a major role in the resistance anymore. I think Saddam began to realize this distinction as the years went by, particularly after his loss in Gulf War 1, and the devestation of the subsequent sanctions — of which all the muslim apostate leaders were a part of. Current muslim nations and leaders are far worse than Saddam ever was — so you should be clear on my opinion here. Let Hussein be judged by God, do not worry about his status as a martyr, and return to the sayings and teachings of Muhammad, for he is the seal of the prophets and messengers, and his methodology is superior to all other methodologies. And don’t forget that the first marytr in Islam was a woman, so re-read the stories of the Sahaba.
Also, it is no secret that the baath party in Syria is a cover for a small of group of secular Shia who rule over and oppress the Sunni Muslims in Syra. Muslims around the world are waking up to the fact that their lands, peoples, tribes, and nations have adopted methodologies, laws, and innovations that go against the basic principles of Islam, contradict what Prophet Muhammad instructed us, has reduced the Quran to an esoteric book of poetry to adorn walls in living rooms, and has created borders and boundaries that allow the west in general, and the American/Israeli/British axis in particular to make a mockery of us and subjugate us in every sense of the word.
Just as I am against Muslims in central Asia betraying the Arabs who have immigrated to their lands in order to help them (case in point: all the arabs that the pakistani government handed over to the US), I am also against Pan-Arabism and Arab unity (the same would go for Jewish unity since jews consider their religion and race to be one and the same, or white unity or black unity, etc.). The jews love nothing more than to see arabs fall for the seduction of pan-arab unity because they prefer to see this conflict in jewish-arab terms. This stems from the racism inherent in their tribal religion, and their belief of their status as the world’s chosen people. They don’t know much about Islam, and they refer to their scriptures in order to find justification for racist viewpoints towards the Arabs. They fail to realize that Arabs and non-Arabs alike have been tasked with the obligation to end the hegemony and control that the Jews exhibit over the entire world. The way to do this is not through pluralism of nationalism, but through the unaltered and uncorrupted, final message from God (the lord of the worlds, the lord of the torah, the lorder of the gospels, and the lord of the quran). What is even more funny is that the jews who are in control of Israel are of European descent, and not actually related to the original 12 tribes of Israel (whom we actually consider to be Muslim). See how things can mess up when one puts ethnicity or ancenstry on a equal playing field with spirtuality and faith?
So please, return to Islam and follow they party of faith, truthfulness, and honesty…without worrying about how many or how few are on this path, or what the geographic, ethnic, or national background of such heroes and marytrs are.
Tariq and Seymour: You two should be in bed together, collaborating on the destruction of humanity in Iraq. When the time is right, one of you will stab the other in the backside (couldn’t help the pun) and try to occupy Iraq.
We don’t want either of you.
tariq: the miserable failures of baathy rubbish poplicies and rubbish leaders is plpain to see in every country it has been tried. Corruption, torture, human rights abuses.
seymour: the failed state of Talibanistan would be funny if there wasn’t so much abuse of women going on. If things go your way, we’d be living in caves like.…. oh yeah that’s right, like your master Bin Liner.
You have wonderful manners Furat. The baathists (whom I comptely disagree with) are as much a part of Iraqi society as anyone else. Islam and the Khalifah (which is what al-Qaidah and many other groups call for) is also very much a part of the history of the people of Iraq. In fact, the only stranger and occupier here are those who are Iraqi nationalists and nothing else. It is like you have don’t have a place either in your own backyard, or in relation to the rest of the world. The state of Iraq came about through british and french occupation and control. The people of Iraq fought valiantly against them, but in the end, succumbed to their plots. The majority of Kurds put their alliegance to Kurdistan first and foremost. The majority of the Shiite listen to their clerics, as clerics have a great deal more power in Shiitism as compared to Sunnism. Among the Sunni, which is undoubtedly your persepctive here, the call of Islam to the law of the land (with or without al-Qaidah) is growing and cannot be stopped. Hopefully you’ll find a home somewhere.
God gave Furat the gift of reason and Furat flushed it down the toilet…
Seymore, for heck’s sake, cut your “millenarianistic” delirium.
You sound like the (pseudo-)Islamic version of Pat Robertson…
@NDHF:
Your silence is ambiguous to say the least…
What is there so tremendously compromising for you in expressing your opinion on the subjects I raised ?
Are you afraid of ghosts ? :-)
Or are you afraid that those ghosts may not be so “dead” as you would like them in the memory, hearts and souls of their people ? ;-)
If not principled, be at least polite, and answer my questions.
Thank you.
Regards,
Tariq
Salam Tariq,
Thank you so much for your moving tribute to the
Heroes and Martyrs of the Iraqi Resistance.
May Allah bless you and all your efforts !
Not only NDHF is afraid of the heroes’ immortal ghost!
The eternal spirit of Iraq’s Guardian Martyr
President Saddam Hussein
and the spirit of his faithful comrades
will guide the honourable brave fighters of the
armed resistance on the path to the
liberation of Iraq.
That is why the answer is silence
The coward’s riskless silence
The silence of backs turning
Complicity’s silence buring
The SILENCE OF THE TRAITORS
Regards,
meryemreis@web.de
@anti-stupid — you should use “reason” and be more specific when making false accusations against others. In fact, it is “stupid” not to know or understand the persepctive of Pat Robertson (as he contributed a great deal to making this war happen given his leadership position among christian zionists). It is stupid not to understand what your own scriptures (or those of others) say in regards to the basic principles of our purpose in life as well as the more complex, harder to understand prophetic teachings.
The difference between me (and the probably 99% of the Islamist movement) and the Zionist movement is that zion is actively acting on their millenarianistic beliefs, while we are responding to them in kind, for Iron is not dented except with iron. In the process, if one notices that the sayiings of our Prophet (pbuh) are showing themselves as we speak, and observing in an entirely rational and factual manner that the status of the world as a whole is just as bad if not worse than times past, and that signs are manifesting themselves as was once prophecised — there is no harm in that. We aren’t claiming to be superhuman or having knowledge of the unseen (like Mr. Pat Robertson). And most importantly, we are not polytheists.
@ All: I heard INTERESTING things about some nicknames around after my yesterday visit to this site from the NDHF webmaster hiding undercover and monitoring all kinds of weird traffic around our blog (according to him, it is possible to use this site — and he didn’t mean persons directly connected to this site — so to attack the NDHF online activities if we’re logged into our site).
Do also note that while some think they and their own ass is the centerpiece of the world, that does not hold either: last night I read a some 200 news wires, selected, posted and edited nearly 50 of them, so that I’ve far more important games than playing with assholes.
I’ll be back with a response when we’ve time for that. Meanwhile, Tariq, why don’t you response us to the following question:
What do you think of the late Finnish War Marshall and President of Finland, Mannerheim, his “whitist” comrades and all other white slaughtered by the red soviet Russia in the events related to the Finnish Civil War in 1917–1918?
Ta Ta
@NDHF
Poor thing, you REALLY believe that the Ba’ath is a thing of the past, don’t you ?
Enjoy the sweet dream whilst it’s night…
See you at sunrise.
Regards,
Tariq
Newsdesk Helsinki Finland, how is your friend Sayf Al-Din Al-Kinani doing these days ?
Bunch of Al-CIAda moles that you are, posterity shall spit on your graves.
@Tariq. It is better that NDHF didn’t replied to your question.
His ultimate aim is to insult and slander the martyred Iraqi President, therefore he isn’t even worthy to write Saddam Hussein’s blessed name.
It’s been a long time since I’ve read something as disgusting and vile as his latest posting.
And the most revolting thing is that he pretends to speak on the behalf of the Iraqi resistance and the Iraqi people.
Since i too am not an Iraqi (I am an Italian), i quote the words of two true Iraqis:
“Here I am presenting myself as a sacrifice .… Saddam Hussein is ready to sacrifice his life for the country and the people. From the beginning, he presented his entire life, and the lives of his family, young and old, to the nation and to the great, loyal, and honourable people, and he has continued relentlessly to do so.“
Saddam Hussein, President of the Republic of Iraq
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=37490
“True Iraqis need to realize that they are very much alone…that their lives are considered worthless and cheap, and that they have to rely on no one but themselves and the rememberance and presence of the Absent One“
Layla Anwar
http://arabwomanblues.blogspot.com/2007/11/in-heart-of-night.html
@ALL. Please, don’t feed the finnish guy with your comments or replies. If people reply him, he can hope to be some shit, whilst he is NOTHING, absolutely nothing. He believes to be able to defame and offend Saddam’s sacred memory, and instead he is only a nonentity who barks at the wind.
@Tariq
Yesterday night NDHF has answered your question in its very special nasty and most disgusting way. Should I tell you that I felt deeply offended?
We know who they are.
I am truly grateful for the wise and admonitory comment
of Paola Pisi –Grazie mille, grazie di cuore, carissima, un forte abbraccio per te!!!- She expressed all my feelings from the bottom of my heart.
It is our duty to perpetuate the blessed name of the Hero and Martyr President Saddam Hussein and to fulfill this precious legacy. It is our duty to remember the example of his faithul comrades, all the martyrs and the brave comrades in the jails of the occupation. It is our duty to honour their sacrifice with our deeds. We shouldn’t care too much about this vile shadow NDHF but we should be really concerned about the dark forces behind them and the ongoing conspiracy villainising the Party and it’s Leadership with the aim to split the Heroic Iraqi Resistance.
We should read this warning message again very carefully and we must act now with a maximum of Attentiveness.
http://www.albasrah.net/pages/mod.php?mod=art&lapage=../ar_articles_2007/1107/mukhtr_191107.htm
Watch your step (nazar bar qadam).
Salam,
Meryem
meryemreis(at)web.de
Dear Paola Pisi,
You are absolutely right.
I shall ignore the pathetic creature called NDHF from now on and rather go back to attending to more, so very much more SERIOUS matters ;-)
“Let the abased be debased” … and stew in their own juice :-)
Thank you from the heart for your priceless, soulful efforts at Uruknet, the “Radio London” of the Internet Age.
God bless you.
Regards,
Tariq
@nobody’s fool
I completely agree with your thesis.
The Finnish guys are a bunch of “desperados” brainwashed into Al-Qa’ida-style ideology by their masters in CIA, Mossad and the Iranian Intelligence, working in the counterinsurgency media front, and instructed to wage a DEFAMATION CAMPAIGN against the Ba’athist resistance while at the same tame POSING as supporters of the so-called “Sunni Islamist” groups.
Their aim is to NEUTRALIZE the ONLY party in the Iraq War theater that is uncompromisingly secular, hence UNWILLING to play the “war of religions” game with the occupiers, politically experienced, ideologically strong, and deeply rooted in the Iraqi society at all levels, and LEAVE ALONE on the battlefield the young, inexpert, naive, milk-and-water, wobbly forces of the Muslim Brotherhood-style “religious moderatism” such as AMSI and its armed protegés, whom they know can LATER be easily infiltrated, influenced and eventually HIJACKED by millenarianism-oriented extremist elements that serve the Zionist project of precipitating the Middle-East into TOTAL CHAOS.
These were my VERY LAST words on the subject. May this be a WARNING to all those who care about the fate of the anti-imperialist struggle, especially in its heroic bastion Iraq, NOT to put their trust in these twisted-minded double, triple and quadruple dealers.
@NDHF
I bid you farewell until the Liberation of Iraq and the Restoration of the PEOPLE’S SOVEREIGNTY (get the drift, dears ?) ;-)
@Meryem
A warm salute to you, my courageous comrade. Keep your head up, spirits high, and NEVER lose hope.
Best regards.
Tariq
@Tariq @ Meryem A big thanks and xxx to both of you :-)
Listen: Why we didn’t initially ask to Tariq’s question on Iraq before war is as follows:
First of all, we did, many times: we do not know.
This is the truth.
Running a news service concentrated on the events in Iraq now (and in the future), currently we do not have time to find that out because of our limited resources. As a rule, news services do not go around compiling dissertations on historical subjects nor is that demanded from them
What we do know, however is that in the Combat Year 2007 Iraq was supposed to be split, including the splitting of the Baath baath party. Therefore that it was (and is) completely predictable that a pro-occupation baath party (the one that filled the gaps in the Baath leadership after getting rid of Saddam Hussein) would turn out posing as Saddam loyalists so to rub in the Sunni vs. Shia sectarian rift everywhere.
As non-sectarians and viewing the real rift in Iraq being that of being against the occupation or not, we haven’t posed any “opinion” on this, unable to investigate the issue in the depth required due to the lack of time, as well as knowing that it whatever the answer, it would be wrong.
So we took the “patience” course, waiting for a suitable comment to appear so to answer with help of that in a proper way and explain in the process why we do not partake in such set-ups. The opportunity came, when Tariq asked – insisting and insisting:
“What do you think of the late BAATH Secretary-General and President of Iraq Saddam Hussein, his BAATHIST comrades martyred on the Occupation gallows along with him, and all other BAATHIST officials currently detained in the Occupation jails and awaiting the same tragic fate ?”
To show you what kind of cheat asking such questions I responded yesterday as follows:
Now, everything said in this concerning Mr. Mannerheim is nonsense. Actually,
(a) In the war 1917–1918 General Mannerheim was involved in training the first Finnish troops secretly in Germany, no doubt saving Finland from a Soviet occupation by bringing the troops to Finland and taking up the leadership of the Finnish forces.
(b) During the second world war now Marshall Mannerheim, the supreme commander of the Finnish army led our country to three successive victories (twice against the Soviets, once against the Germans), and was also serving our country as the president.
§3. Just some time ago – and this is why I chose mention Mannerheim – there was a vote in Finland to determine the N:o 1 war hero of Finland, in which voting Mannerheim was abandoned so to let all the others to get any votes at all.
This about how easy it is for a native (or otherwise knowing more) to deceive those not equally informed. Anybody can set up such a trap and lure others, especially those preferring emotional reactions (a.k.a. opinions), as shown by Tariq falling into the trap of reading the Mannerheim cheat at face value (we knew this would happen because he was eager to get such a response): no checking, no nothing, just “opinion”. Unfortunately a wrong one, because the mistake was already embedded in the way we formulated the question: “Why…”
This is absolute rubbish: “whitist” is a non-existent term forged by me just for the occasion, and needless to say, the rest is equally fabricated. To keep your business straight it is best to avoid any baseless opinions, especially when the purpose of those of questions is to make you commit into such.
While some want to play the partition games of the occupiers, following the official U.S.-Iranian-Israeli policy in this, i.e. using Saddam Hussein’s execution to rise conflicts between those with doings with Iraq, the NDHF team is not interested in playing their dirty sectarian games.
Iraq is not partitioned, nor it will be, because the heroic Iraqi Resistance is protecting the unity of Iraq, and will do so successfully until it has reached the immediate preconditions for this, which is the complete military defeat of all the occupation forces (including not only the U.S., Iranian and Israeli forces, but the puppets backing up these in their treason.
Today, speaking of Baath as a unity fails to denote anything particular, because it is no secret that there are at least two baath parties, namely the “official” Jordan-based one and the Syrian, possibly even a third, namely the occupier-controlled Allawi wing (if not identical with the al-Douri wing, that is). So, instead of being a baath supporter, everyone should make clear which Baath (s)he supports: the options in this are
§1. The pro-U.S. baathists sitting and dealing with the occupiers (Allawi)
§2. The anti-U.S. baathists fighting the occupiers (the Younis party)
It is not exactly a secret that much of the entire pro-U.S. baath is a front for al-Qaida in Iraq, another U.S.-puppeted organization and there are proven relationships between these such as
§1. Mr. al-Douri is a well-known boss for the both organizations.
§2. Jihad and Liberation formations recurring in the Anbar Slavation council orders of battle (such as the “Knights of the Land of Two Rivers”).
§3. Both parties aim at a Sunni vs. Shia sectarian rift, but shying of from combating the Americans as well as failing to support the very party Saddam Hussein joined in the last years of his life in the dirty hands of the occupier, the Jihadists.
What wonders me the most in all the Baath discussion going on, is it absurd distance from the hard core facts that took place in the CY 2006, which, briefly put were as follows:
§1. The U.S. lost militarily in Al-Anbar, soundly beaten by the Resistance
§2. Al-Maliki and his sectarian counterpart, Al-Zarqawi failed to summon the target of the occupiers, an all-out Sunni vs. Shia civil war
§3. Al-Maliki government got into a dead-lock that has been there ever since
§4. Al-Zarqawi got killed after his “failure”
As a direct result of these developments:
§1. The U.S. needed a new “policy”, which was to be the Iraq Study Group “partition” plot.
§2. So to be able to pass its share of the oil loot in the supposed Federal State of Iraq the U.S. needed a Sunni party in the future, which – as proven by the de-baathification scam – was nothing more than
§3. Because Saddam Hussein, a Jihadist as proven by his conduct in the hands of the occupation wouldn’t have any of Baath working with the occupation, it was necessary for the U.S.-collaborating Baath party to get rid of him, to which they used another asshole of the same calibre, the Al-Sadr creep.
§4. Hadn’t there been Baathist pro-U.S. collaborators available the occupiers wouldn’t have had the urgent need to execute Saddam Hussein. So, in order to find out who killed Saddam Hussein, it is not only the occupiers such as U.S. and Iran, but those Baathists that were to benefit from this inheriting the Baathist positions and so on.
§5. If Saddam Hussein loyalists want to pinpoint his killers, find those baathists that benefited from that, either becoming debaathificated, getting power, money, whatever for their collaboration. If interested in such search one thing is absolutely certain: the baathists behind the deed are definitely posing as the most faithful saddamists of the world making them appear identical the real Saddam loyalists.
Anyone can pose as a Saddam loyalist, and the Roads to Iraq discussion contains both traitors and some real Saddam supporters, so to define who’s who, we took up this little cheat of posing as Mannerheim-opponents (sorry, Mannerheim fans for that ;), so to get clues on the baathists around to find out the supporters of Saddam Hussein, and distinguish them from the worst enemies of him, involved in his execution, the mere display view of – often fabricated nick-name – about Saddam Hussein telling nothing but that the person behind the view could be a Hussein fan or the exact opposite.
Due to the Zionist Iraq partition plot, starting all the way up from partitioning Saddam Hussein of his life, there are a lot of al-Qaida “Baath” recruitors active these days with an obvious goal: they’re doing their best – which is not so good so far – to gather no-questions-asking Saddam loyalists to back up the latest pro-U.S. baath a.k.a. al-Qaida effort.
This is the motive of repeating the questions such as “What is your opinion of…” Once anybody answers in terms +/- a totally predictable “outrage” follows, just as happened with our previous “Mannerheim” response. This of course, causing all possible disagreement is the very purpose of the occupiers (the U.S.-Israeli zionists and Iranian scum), as you can see from our recent reposting:
http://theunitedstatesofmonsters.blogspot.com/2007/11/iraq-executions-not-leading-to.html
So not to let hostile parties twist our words, we came up with the “Mannerheim” scam. We Finns do not like lying so our apologies for that, but after our Webmaster told that we came under the attack from a party nicknaming here in the Roads to Iraq site and simultaneously some persons demanding us to waste our time in a premeditated trap-style discussion (so that my PC would be attacked again during the session) some security measures had to be taken up before writing any response.
So it was agreed to use the very same Saddam-Mannerheim “question trick” so to see what kind of fruits will drop from the tree when shaked.
If somebody is interested in the real NDHF “opinion” about Prez Saddam Hussein, it’s here: Saddam Hussein resisted the occupiers and turned to favour the Holy Jihad in Iraq. This is the course taken by the entire NEWSDESK HELSINKI FINLAND team so that our opinion about Mujahid Saddam Hussein is that he’s a resisting mujahid just like our crew and especially our brothers, the Jihadi mujahideen of heroic Armed Iraqi Resistance. As the Heroic Iraqi Resistance and mujahid brother Hussein and suggest, this is no time for sectarian conflicts, but of combating the occupation forces.
Finally, we’d like to point out that there’s a broad array of Saddam loyalists posing as if loyalists, but in truth despising the legacy of Saddam Hussein, because despising the Jihadi Iraqi Resistance forces and therefore the mujahideen brother Saddam Hussein who chose this Jihad as his ultimate legacy in the last years of his life.
Encountering such phonies, claiming to support Saddam Hussein, but in no way committing to his legacy, the Holy Jihad Saddam Hussein predicted, the heroic Iraqi Resistance now waged by the noble Iraqi combat forces, the true army of Iraq, the Al-Jihad and Change Front, the Al-Jihad and Reform Front and the southern groups provides a trustworthy criterion for separating the true followers of Saddam Hussein from the phony ones:
The phonies do not back up the Jihadi Iraqi Resistance forces.
Should certain persons involved in this discussion have different motives and/or secret agendas, go ahead: the Iraqi Resistance forces, the Jihadi Mujahideen have their own instructions:
In the name of Allah, the compassionate, the merciful:
FIGHT THEM!
paolo are you still publishing zionist propaganda?
http://barabie.wordpress.com/2007/04/01/uruknet-is-zionist/
http://barabie.wordpress.com/2007/03/30/uruknet-admit-publishing-zionist-propaganda/
http://barabie.wordpress.com/2007/03/29/uruknet-is-no-better-than-a-zionist-propaganda-machine/
paolo are you still publishing zionist propaganda?
http://barabie.wordpress.com/2007/03/29/uruknet-is-no-better-than-a-zionist-propaganda-machine/