The Saudi King and the wine

Posted on November 16, 2008 by Sappho

Is King Abdul­lah of Saudi Ara­bia tak­ing few min­utes vaca­tion from “Allah” to drink his wine??? Watch the 00.39 minute.

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48 Responses to The Saudi King and the wine

  1. Nasser Al-Hammad says:
    November 16, 2008 at 15:24

    Why would it be wine? what makes you sure that the was alco­hol? as usual you peo­ple don’t have gov­ern­ment and nei­ther a land which makes you all jeal­ous and envy, thanks Allah, we Saudis always have had a wise gov­ern­ment as well as loyal peo­ple who are ready to push their lives to the land, not like oth­ers who sell their land to Iran and wish to have democ­racy in return, enjoy your democ­racy and to be slaves to freak­ing Ira­ni­ans as well

  2. mostafa says:
    November 16, 2008 at 15:49

    Per­haps The Cus­to­dian of the two Holy Mosques hav­ing a break and pos­si­bly a wahabi fatwa that states it may be per­mis­si­ble to taste alco­hol while you are abroad.

  3. Picaso says:
    November 16, 2008 at 18:22

    Nasser;
    Your com­ment stands with no base, you accus­ing the Mustafa with no gov­ern­ment and no, and you point­ing to some­one! Aren’t you? So be care­ful you.

    Which wise gov­ern­ment you talk­ing about, all your gov­ern­ment led by king, princes who not-educated or lit­tle achieved, so your wise is your OIL that’s all., you Saudi’s get no respect in the world and all nations think­ing you are ani­mals, hate wait­ing you every where you can make it out as soon you landed in any air­ports, I saw how they you been treated in US, UK, AUS and even in your region. For exam­ple in North Africa they call­ing you Goats, in Chicago call­ing you Camels, in Aus­tralia call­ing you Mans walk­ing in front of their wives. SO you SHUT and fix your com­mu­ni­ties and get red of these the 10000 roy­als who rul­ing and screw­ing you as nation.

    Chaaoo for now, you will get more of these in all dic­suss sites.

  4. Drunk says:
    November 16, 2008 at 19:09

    The Saudi King is a clear exam­ple for the fail­ure of islam as a reli­gion, he needs to bow his head 2 more cen­time­ters and it will hit the ground

  5. Picaso says:
    November 16, 2008 at 20:18

    To Drunk.

    You as moron no need to talk about ISLAM, you have any com­ments about the King that is OK but do not touch the reli­gion. You go and edu­cate your­self about reli­gions and believes first.

    ISLAM is a great reli­gion I am so proud because I am a MUSLIM, it is a reli­gion that per­fectly man­ag­ing day-to-day peo­ple life in Social, Finan­cial, Eco­nomic, Health, and so on, and as I said to you go and edu­cate your­self.
    We Mus­lims refer to one book and con­sti­tu­tion which is HOLY QURAN which is never and will never get change at all. But, more than one ver­sion are there for other reli­gions which one is cor­rect or wrong, true or fake. Again go and edu­cate yourself.

    God Bless You„, I know you are raised and grown in wrong place with wrong per­son, but it is not so late for change.

  6. Slimmy says:
    November 16, 2008 at 20:34

    hahahaha…the king has finaly come to his senses! btw nasser iraqis are fight­ing for inde­pen­dance instead of being america’s bitch. saudis were ” badawis ” bedouins on camels in tents 100 yrs ago and in less than 100yrs they’ll go back to livin in tents and rid­ing camels… even the king, he wont be drinkin wine any­more but his camel’s pee.

  7. Nasser Al-Hammad says:
    November 16, 2008 at 20:37

    to Picaso:
    You have said that the gov­ern­ment is not edu­cated, first of all, the prophet “alaih alsalam” wasn’t edu­cated and plus, 78% of Saudis are edu­cated over 15 years can read and write, 70% of younger peo­ple attend uni­ver­si­ties 40% of higher edu­ca­tion,
    (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/sa.html)
    you said that the oil is where you get all of the income, in sci­en­tific terms, you mean the GDP, well, oil is 65% of our GDP.
    You also have men­tioned that most of peo­ple around the world treat us neg­a­tively, well, if you are Saudi and apply for VISA to UK, it takes you only 1 hour or 2 hours MAX to have it stamped + you can have it as long as 5 years, if apply the EUROPE entry VISA, it takes 3 days, Cana­dian, 1–2 weeks of med­ical report, and finally US 1 week. Tell now which Arab coun­tries can have such treat­ment? i am now liv­ing in Canada for doing my school, i never been treated badly ever and + 2 years ago, i spent my honey moon in UK and Italy, peo­ple were gen­tle in treat­ment. By the way, i spend every sum­mer in EUROPE between UK and SPAIN to visit my fam­ily there since its too hot in Saudi and most peo­ple from there are nice, quite peo­ple. You have said that peo­ple look at us as ani­mal, i think that you are abused of what you see around you at home because you peo­ple are killing each other, there­fore, you have been think­ing that the neigh­bor­ing coun­tries are the same. You have asked my to change our nation!? well, i believe that we are chang­ing now to become devel­oped coun­try where peo­ple like you stay where they are with no such moves. Look at the dif­fer­ent between your sit­u­a­tion and us and be hon­est to your self when dis­tin­guish­ing the dif­fer­ences, and before adding com­ments, clean your tong so you can at least give an accept­able image about your people.

  8. Nasser Al-Hammad says:
    November 16, 2008 at 20:57

    To Slimmy:
    You have: “nasser iraqis are fight­ing for inde­pen­dance instead of being america’s bitch,” Thats why Mr. Alma­liky can’t agree nei­ther dis­agree with U.S plans in Iraq.
    You also have said that we were bid­wins in 100 years, to be hon­est, we are bid­wins until now and will always be since it is a pride to us to be pure are belong­ing to real Arab tribes, Iraqi had civ­i­liza­tions in the past, look at it now! we are bid­wens up to date, see the different.

  9. mostafa says:
    November 16, 2008 at 21:27

    To Nasser:
    The post is about the Saudi King and the wine and it is not about the KSA 65% GDP is based on oil rev­enue? Actu­ally the rest of the GDP is based on indus­tries that related to the oil indus­try. Also you should have cal­cu­lated the rev­enue from Hajj ( GDP includes all prod­ucts and services)

    You men­tioned the edu­ca­tion, well you buy your edu­ca­tion from the west and you are one of them..and that’s fine but what’s the ben­e­fit of this edu­ca­tion and the level of unem­ploy­ment among you is so high…what’s hap­pen­ning to the oil revenu?

    In the west you are respected because of your money and spe­cially your excel­lent dona­tions to Lon­don Zoos etc and great gam­bling and pros­ti­tu­tion deals such as Al-Yamam arm sales with the BAE.

    I agree with you if we com­pare our sit­u­a­tion (in Iraq) with you, surely we are liv­ing a mis­er­able life. How­ever you seemed to for­get that most of our crises in Iraq are caused by you and your sup­port to Sad­dam regime and push­ing him into a war with Iran (KSA gave sad­dam $42b) and after saddam’s col­lapse your stu­pid schol­ars gave fatwa to bomb and kill Iraqis. In addi­tion over 70% of the sui­cide bombers in Iraq are stud­ies who blow their dirty bod­ies among Iraqis.

    Nasser: we never for­get what you did to us in gen­er­a­tions. Walahi if I have the power I remove your from earth (with respect to our holly places)

    Please don’t devi­ate from the post which is the camel-king drinks wine. And is this actu­ally sur­pris­ing you and you think is fake? I am not sur­prised at all and all 200,000 royal fam­ily mem­bers are corrupt.

  10. Picaso says:
    November 16, 2008 at 21:34

    Nasser,

    Then you are a mem­ber of the Royal’s or Simi Roy­als sooo not worth in spent­ing my time with„ becuase it will reach no where.

    Prophit Mohammed PBOH is not a Saudi.. so you donot make a com­pair between Saudis and PBOH.

    14million Saudi rent­ing houses, and 10000 of of roy­als hav­ing many palaces in all Saudi and in world.
    $1.4trillion invest­ment in USA and in Saudi is not even 10% of such amount„ you remem­ber these fig­ures. Go back to Saudi and imag­ing what such money will do to Saudi’s if it back to Saudi..
    Me too in Canada..

  11. Monkey Singh says:
    November 17, 2008 at 01:13

    Aloha!
    Why are you all quar­rel­ing amongst each other. We all know that the civil­ian pop­u­la­tions in all the coun­tries are gen­tle and peace-loving. Above all, every­one knows that the Royal Fam­ily in Saudi Ara­bia is extremely cor­rupt. They do not carry the loy­alty and affec­tion that the King Abdul Aziz Al-Saud had for his nation. We are not here to find who is bar­baric and who is civ­i­lized and who got civ­i­lized ear­lier.
    The pur­pose of this post itself was to show the pre­ten­sion and lies that the so called lead­ers of the world.
    All barbarians.

  12. Nasser Al-Hammad says:
    November 17, 2008 at 07:35

    I will will be reply­ing to Slimmy, Mostafa, Picaso, and Mon­key,
    To Slimmy:
    You have: “nasser iraqis are fight­ing for inde­pen­dance instead of being america’s bitch,” Thats why Mr. Alma­liky can’t agree nei­ther dis­agree with U.S plans in Iraq.
    You also have said that we were bid­wins in 100 years, to be hon­est, we are bid­wins until now and will always be since it is a pride to us to be pure are belong­ing to real Arab tribes, Iraqi had civ­i­liza­tions in the past, look at it now! we are bid­wens up to date, see the different.

    To Mostafa:
    I wouldn’t really waste much time in dis­cussing since i have other things to work with, how­ever, you have said that i am buy­ing my edu­ca­tion from the west, well i don’t quit under­stand what do mean here, if you are say­ing that i am pay­ing to get edu­cated that is cor­rect like many other peo­ple, but the dif­fer­ent is that the gov­ern­ment is pay­ing full fees + liv­ing. Which is school fees + $4300 CAD for liv­ing.
    You have said that we sup­ported Sad­dam, it is not proofed yet, how­ever, if was the Saudi king at that time, i will agree to sup­port since all Arab coun­tries weren’t com­fort­able with the Iran’s rev­o­lu­tion and since your step father Alkhome­eni announced to would have expanded his rev­o­lu­tion to all Arab coun­tries. You have also said ” if I have the power I remove your from earth (with respect to our holly places,” well, i advise you to use that power to build your coun­try or at least to keep its dig­nity to be capa­ble to make deci­sion with out beg­ging Iran to get the green light.
    To Picaso:
    I am not a mem­ber of the royal fam­ily, i am a sol­dier to king Abdul­lah bin Abdu­laziz. you have men­tioned that many “Saudis don’t own houses”, and i say bet­ter than liv­ing in streets. you said that i com­pered Moham­mad “alaih alsalat wa alsalam” with Saudis, i didn’t, i just list a fact.

    To Mon­key:
    Tell me who in India is not cor­rupted? i always see that Indi­ans talk about CORRUPTION! you know why? because in Pun­jab state, you peo­ple can’t have power or hydro more longer that 8 hours a day, and can’t afford to buy solar pan­els and as well as can’t afford to use your national resource for power sup­ply, look how cor­rupted, you don’t even use even the great river in that area for power gen­er­a­tion, you know why? look at your province gov­ern­ment not cen­tral gov­ern­ment who just lay down for for­eigner affairs and screw­ing Pak­istan. don’t ever talk about cor­rup­tion in other coun­tries 6 mil­lion of you at least clean­ing streets or work­ing as pri­vate dri­ver in other coun­tries while your GDP is 2 trillion.

  13. Monkey Singh says:
    November 17, 2008 at 19:20

    As I stated in my blog. My pur­pose was not to com­pare which coun­try is supe­rior. I know that most Indi­ans have cor­rup­tion in their genes.
    Police­men are just here for the sake of deter­ring peo­ple from com­mit­ting crimes. You can­not get them to do ANYTHING. They don’t solve any crimes. If there is a seri­ous national level secu­rity inci­dent, they sim­ply kill a cou­ple of peo­ple and claim that they solved the crime or the ter­ror­ist activ­ity. For­get about get­ting any­thing done by a goven­ment employee. They are not going to even look at you unless you place a bun­dle of notes on their table. You can get away with ANY crime if you have the money. You don’t have to fol­low ANY law if you have the money. Mur­der, smug­gling, red-tapism…the list is end­less.
    My pur­pose of quot­ing this is, I want you to know that I am aware that India is full of mon­keys and that is the rea­son why peo­ple find it more respectable being street-cleaners in some other coun­try than live in India.
    But again — “The Cus­to­dian of the two Holy Mosques” should be stoned to death. I am aware Saudi Ara­bia metes out such pun­ish­ments legally to indi­vid­u­als who vio­late Islamic law.

  14. mostafa says:
    November 17, 2008 at 20:14

    Mon­key Singh,
    I think you got the Islamic rule wrong. Actu­ally he should be lashed in pub­lic and prefer­ably by an Indian laborer with!

    May god pro­tect India, at least they have won­der­ful spices and lovely food cuisines! Also India is becom­ing a super­power in the com­ing decay (if not yet) and I don’t see any ground com­par­ing it to Saudi Empire.

  15. Kafer Zandeek says:
    November 17, 2008 at 20:20

    Fuck Islam, Fuck Moham­mad, It is my plea­sure to make fun of your fuck­ing reli­gion. So I am Kafer and Zan­deek, hahahahahahahaha

  16. Lagash says:
    November 17, 2008 at 21:01

    Nasser Al-Hammad, have you ever thought why Bagh­dad and Dam­as­cus was con­sid­ered as one of the Arab empires most impor­tant loca­tions (back in the time of the Islamic expan­sion in mod­ern Ara­bia), why every­thing of the best was moved over to these cities, instead of what we today call the Gulf States?

  17. Muslim in canada says:
    November 17, 2008 at 21:03

    Nasser, I don’t Blame you for your post­ings because it is just a reflec­tion for the con­tra­dic­tions that saudi com­mu­nity lives in. Let me tell you how:

    Your king whose sup­posed to be Khademe l 7aramayne l char­i­fayne drinks wine in pub­lic (even if it wasn’t wine every­one knows the rep­u­ta­tion of saudis in alco­hol and women).
    You claim to be the Pro­tec­tor of Mus­lims (Saudi ara­bia) and the pil­lar of the mus­lim coun­tries, yet you ally with the enne­mies of mus­lims who sup­port israel (Did you see Perez in the con­fer­ence? he seemed so happy by the oppor­tu­nity given to him by Abdul­lah).
    You do a con­fer­ence for dia­logue between world reli­gions while you have the biggest reserve for ter­ror­ists in your own coun­try, and the wahabis fat­was are the dom­i­nant ones over there. (one of them was the 7orma of sup­port­ing ISLAMIC resis­tance in lebanon in july war!!!) plus all the other fat­was that degrade women and other religions.

    You want more?…ok

    You stand against mus­lim Iran but sup­port the US and the British. Of course they’re gonna give u a visa in 1 hour you’re pay­ing a for­tune for it and to be accepted in these coun­tries! come and see me when ur oil dry up and tell me if they’re gonna let u in the coun­su­late (if they won’t aban­don it).

    Can you deny that saudi-arabia is the biggest ally of the US in the arab region?
    Can you deny that it is back­ing up all proamer­i­can allies in the region (Iraq, egypt, lebanon…)?

    enough said..I will wait for your reply.

  18. mostafa says:
    November 17, 2008 at 22:40

    All,
    The glass of wine appar­ently turned to be zam zam water! oh yes don’t ever think so badly about the cus­to­dian of the two holy mosques.
    Actu­ally I am sur­prised from the poor cov­er­age of the arab media for such a shock­ing breach to Islam and also never heard any com­ment from the wahabi rabias. I think the rea­son is because most of arab media are sup­ported by the saudi oil revnue and will be sanc­tioned if they cov­ered the issue. Just imag­ine the reac­tion of the saudi-supported media if Mr. Al-Maliky said Cheers to Mr Bush with a glass of wine?

  19. Nasser Al-Hammad says:
    November 18, 2008 at 00:39

    To Mostafa: It is clear to me now that i shouldn’t really responded to your posts since your posts really reflects how you were grown up.
    Mus­lim in Canada: In Saudi Ara­bia what ever is done, would be clear and every body can see, you said we are ally to U.S, yes for our own good and Mus­lims as well. In Lebanon, KSA pay their school fees as well as Pak­istan, look at All dona­tion to Mus­lim coun­tries, there all from Saudi Ara­bia.
    look at all devel­oped coun­tries and how they have such a rela­tion with the U.S, at least we can agree and dis­agree with what­ever we see fair to Mus­lim, us, and the region.
    You have said that we are against Iran, well we should be 100% sure that our region is away of their dan­ger, you said Iran is Mus­lim, well now i aren’t really tak­ing about Islam, but Iran is the one that sup­ported U.S.A to attacked Sad­dam and Afgan­istan, not Saudi Ara­bia and sis­tany him self said with Iran sup­port, U.S would throw Sad­dam and take over Afgan­istan, so lets really be clear. You also said that Saudis are addicted to women and alchol, well i can’t really say yes or no since your fin­gers aren’t equal, but its bet­ter than get­ting addicted to boys or drugs. You said we have ter­ror­ists in our coun­try, well, ther are every where and we do fight them even if it costs our nicks. These ter­ror­ists killed Saudis, Mus­lims and none Mus­lims which doesn’t make us happy, and Sunny would never sup­port them, there is noth­ing called whapy; it is a term that was cre­ated by Iran to spread Sun­nis, In Saudi we are Han­baly, Shafe’y and few Shea. Don’t for­get that alqaeda bombed the inte­rior min­istry in 2005 and has made sequence of killing since 2003 in Saudi Ara­bia not only in Iraq or U.S.

    to Kafer: even a kafer wouldn’t be as dirty as you, hasby Allah wa ne’am alwa­keel you don’t belong to any religion.

    “peo­ple who seemed to be post­ing with­out any knowl­edge such as Mon­key and oth­ers, i wouldn’t bother to reply”

  20. Proud Muslim says:
    November 18, 2008 at 04:38

    To Kafer Zandeek,

    FUCK YOU AND YOU ALONE, YOU BASTARD! I DO NOT CARE IF YOU ARE A MUSLIM OR NOT BUT IT IS JUST FREEKIN RUDE AND IGNORANT TO CURSE ANY RELIGION! RETARD!!

  21. mostafa says:
    November 18, 2008 at 08:55

    NASSER,
    I don’t think it’s appro­pri­ate to make a per­sonal attack on me and you should be care­ful in using your lan­guage. I will let it go away this time and pre­serve my right to answer you back.

    You may found my posts provoca­tive but actu­ally I was sar­cas­tic towards the Saudi royal fam­ily and noth­ing was against your per­son­ally. In all your posts you over sim­pli­fied all issues that were brought up and I don’t see any point tak­ing you seri­ously oth­er­wise I can get with into the micro level and dis­cuss each issue in full details-but no worth the effort. How­ever I sin­cerely advise you to lis­ten and keep your mind open but also never per­son­al­ize the debate.

  22. Nasser Al-Hammad says:
    November 18, 2008 at 13:57

    Mostafa: You have said in one of your com­ments “Actu­ally he should be lashed in pub­lic and prefer­ably by an Indian laborer with!,” well this seems to me that you have per­son­al­ized it and started the attack…
    —————————————
    If any one want to dis­cuss any case about polit­i­cal issues in the region, i have no prob­lem and every body is wel­come. My time is lim­ited now since final exams are in 3 weeks how­ever, i will try hard to reply to posts that have use­ful mat­ter to all and i am will­ing to do my best to explain to every one what Saudi Ara­bia is, and things that makes us love the king.
    cheers

  23. mostafa says:
    November 18, 2008 at 17:09

    NASSER,
    I attacked a regime that we have a prob­lem with and noth­ing to do with you per­son­ally. See how aggres­sive you are even before (which I skipped for you):

    “.…since your step father Alkhome­eni.…“
    This is not good indi­ca­tion that you can han­dle a debate!

    Now my case with your regime is that I lost 3 cousins dur­ing the Iraq/Iran war and I think we fought a war by proxy on your behalf and your regime takes a respon­si­bil­ity for the killings of my cosines and the dis­trac­tion of my city (Basra). I also lost 2 cousins and 1 nephew in sui­cide bomb­ing and I believe the fat­was and the oil rev­enue from KSA was respon­si­ble for their death.
    I am not here enjoy­ing myself in this blog (we all have no time to waste) rather than I want the world to here about my agony and just case.
    Prob­a­bly at those times while we were tast­ing death, you were enjoy­ing your times in the west­ern cap­i­tals that you men­tioned before but we were suf­fer­ing the con­se­quences of you wrong pol­i­tics in the region and time will come one day when Iraqi offi­cially demand an apol­ogy from KSA to the beloved peo­ple we lost which you may take a direct or indi­rect responsibility.

  24. Groundcrystal says:
    November 18, 2008 at 22:11

    The Gulf states are usu­ally worth­less, most of their work are done by poor cheap labours (aka slaves) from cen­tral asia and south­east­ern asia, the dirty gulf arabs can’t built shit, which explains why over half of the time they hire west­ern­ers to plan stuff for them and then use asians who fin­ish the work (those asians are treated like shit). There’s a rea­son why the Gulf States are noth­ing but western-d*cksucking coun­tries today, Kuwait, Saudi Ara­bia and the UAE, all the same. Unlike the Gulf states we never invited the U.S to our coun­try, but rather told them to f*ck off until they put the pup­pet Maliki in place, and what does Saudis do in turn? Blow up our peo­ple instead of amer­i­cans, this doesn’t come as sur­prise when Saudi Ara­bia is a coun­try where women can’t drive or freakin’ work! The Gulf States have never con­tributed any­thing really good, not now, and not ever before, this is why the Islamic Caliphate moved out of those lands, because the peo­ple in the Gulf states were bar­bar­ians, stu­pid, idiots and worth­less, They still are yet today, once Iraq regain its power again Kuwait should be the first place Iraq should occupy, not due to the fact that Kuwait is a Gulf State but because its been belong­ing to Iraq thou­sands of years. Next should be Saudi Ara­bia, an Iraqi occu­pa­tion would serve it well, per­haps we can man­age to edu­cate and give the Saudis a civ­i­lized soci­ety where their women are given some more rights and their men aren’t fooled into believ­ing that blow­ing up Shia mus­lims will get you into a par­adise where you in turn will eat din­ner with the Islamic prophet Muhammed (com­mon Saudi Wahabbi ter­ror­ist belief in Iraq).

    Iran has done far more then what Saudi Ara­bia and all Gulf States com­bined together will do for the rest of their life. The only thing Saudi Ara­bia con­tributed to the Islamic word is sui­cide bombers and an intol­er­ant islamic faith, unlike Iran which has done plenty of things. Iran is bet­ter in thou­sands of ways, and unlike the Saudis the Iran­ian cit­i­zens don’t cheer for dead Iraqis and don’t blow them­selves up among Iraqis.

    Occupy Kuwait and Saudi Ara­bia, for the greater Mesopotamia.

  25. M says:
    November 18, 2008 at 23:12

    it’s amaz­ing, to see most of the com­ments here, and see how you all accuse each other back and forth, Saudis, Ira­nis, Iraqis, Mus­lims, non Mus­lims, Shi­ites and Sun­nis… and about what?

    a glass of water…

    how sad…

    I just guess its not in my life­time… that i’ll see some of you just real­ize who we all are..

    how sad…

  26. Maged says:
    November 19, 2008 at 01:52

    To Nasser Al-Hammad:

    r u foolin urself or tryin to fool us?

  27. Firas says:
    November 19, 2008 at 11:05

    Guys,
    If I was to choose a title for this dis­cus­sion, it would be: Prej­u­dice and Stereo­typ­ing Orgy!

  28. drunk says:
    November 19, 2008 at 14:53

    To Picaso:

    thank you for your bless­ings, typ­i­cal, you spill out your filth and after­wards you say GOD bless you, as to your com­ments, well the King of Saudi Ara­bia, is kha­dem al hara­mayn al char­i­fayn, the ser­vant of Mecca and the Med­ina, thus the high­est reli­gious author­ity so we can say that it is the reflec­tion of what is islam, that for­bids some­thing, yet the fol­low­ers dont care a bit, which is a fail­ure of the reli­gion, and days are com­ing and we are see­ing how islamic states are falling one after the other and how islamic lead­ers are lit­ter­aly lick­ing the asses of the amer­i­cans and the israelis, and how they are for­bid­ding the food from their peo­ple to give it to the amer­i­can aoc­cu­pa­tion, so please dont argue when say­ing that islam is a fail­ure , the drunk king is just one of bil­lions of fail­ures of this religion

    and tru­ely
    GOD bless you, well the one that doesn’t drink wine or any­thing else, the GOD that is not entrapped in one sin­gle book

    well a sin­gle book after oth­man bin affan destroyed the other copies of what we call now qur‘an

  29. Moojoon says:
    November 19, 2008 at 14:55

    well a drunken king will kneel eas­ier to kiss bush’s but, tri­umph to the ISLAMIC king­dom you have a drunken king, guess hon­esty can­not be bought

  30. Moojoon says:
    November 19, 2008 at 15:01

    To Nasser Al-Hammad :

    you think it is cor­rect to be proud of the cur­rent sit­u­a­tion of Saudis in the world, I mean look what you had to give to become accepted, first you had to give oil, you have to live like a retarded none demo­c­ra­tic nation under a KING that drinks, you have Amer­i­can sol­diers in the land of the Prophet pbuh, and you dont sup­port your mus­lim broth­ers in pales­tine and you are will­ing to sell the third of the qublqtqyn, I mean you sim­ply dont under­stand what honor means, guess that cant be bought with oil money, well I guess you are just “bala charaf”

  31. mostafa says:
    November 19, 2008 at 18:56

    DRUNK,
    Few points to make:

    2) Islam itself (which you may regard as a fail­ure) was not allowed to develop as a com­plete model because of polit­i­cal rivals after the death of the prophet and those dic­ta­tors today (sup­ported by the west) are the con­tin­u­a­tion to the mis­takes which hap­pened in the early days of Islam.

    3) In today’s Islam we suf­fer from inter­nal and exter­nal fac­tors. The inter­nal fac­tor is that the strict inter­pre­ta­tion to Islam by the salafi/wahabi and they dam­aged Islam rep­u­ta­tion. This led that to Al_Qeada (CIA and Saudi made) hijacked Islam. The exter­nal fac­tor is that the west sees Islam as a threat to its social and eco­nom­i­cal interests/values as Islam pro­vide a dif­fer­ent model to run soci­ety and econ­omy which the west suf­fer­ing from the hor­ri­ble con­se­quences of these two issues.

    I am afraid you need to work a bit harder to get into such a conclusion!

  32. MAGED says:
    November 19, 2008 at 21:11

    To DRUNK:

    Are you stu­pid? With all the replies to your 1st post, and you still don’t get it.
    The acts of fol­low­ers of a reli­gion can­not be used to char­ac­ter­ize the rei­gion oth­er­wise we would have come to the con­clu­sion that all reli­gions are bad for human beings even­though we learned from his­tory that most human beings’ behav­iors change dra­mat­i­cllay to the bet­ter when peo­ple fol­low the true teach­ings of their religions.

    Sorry for the ques­tion at the begin­ning of this post, but you don’t seem to get it.

  33. Drunk says:
    November 19, 2008 at 23:07

    كما أنتم يولّى عليكم
    I trans­late the ara­bic say­ing that derives from a mus­lim wis­dom : your rulers are a reflec­tion of you, thank you every body for back­ing up my argu­ments, Spe­cially moustafa, you just con­firmed what I have said, 1400 years of inachieved matu­rity , thanks for the back up

  34. wise says:
    November 19, 2008 at 23:11

    +++++

  35. Muslim in canada says:
    November 20, 2008 at 05:45

    Nasser you should really stop try­ing to devi­ate the truth because it is doc­u­mented.
    Rums­feld with sadam hus­sein video ever seen that? tell me i’ll pro­vide u the link.
    There is no Wahab­bis??!! are u seri­ous? http://www.sunnah.org/articles/Wahhabiarticleedit.htm News­flash: they do exist, believe it or not!
    your pol­i­tics is inde­pen­dent? tell me what did u do to the chil­dren of pales­tine? gave them money? paid for their scholls? well what is that gonna do when they are called on the way to school??? did u help any of the coun­tries develop an indus­try, strenghten their econ­omy? ur own econ­omy is weak and totally depen­dant on the expor­ta­tion of oil..

    Nasser u really can’t blame every­thing on Iran, and it’s ok u can say that u don’t think they’re mus­lim I can feel u’re think­ing it..so amer­i­cans are bet­ter than ira­ni­ans? soub7ane allah, I think now u pre­fer the per­sian chah to come bak in power so he could bring back pros­ti­tu­tion and cor­rup­tion and glob­al­ize it!
    there’s a dif­fer­ence between hav­ing ter­ror­ists in a coun­try and being the source for it. Saudi ara­bia is the source for it..u don’t believe me? read aca­d­e­mic arti­cles for west­ern writ­ers that u love, they will tell u and hope­fully u’ll be convinced..

    Kama tak­ou­noune youwalla 3alaykome..
    Nasser don’t for­get u’re a mus­lim first not a saudi (most prob­a­bly u r not for Saud 3achira as most of the saudi peo­ple aren’t..) please try to be a bit objec­tive and don’t sim­plify mat­ters so we could have a fruit­ful dialogue.

  36. Muslim in canada says:
    November 20, 2008 at 05:50

    I meant pales­tin­ian chil­dren Killed*

    Nasser please I would like u to com­ment on perez in Abdullatt’s con­fer­ence, u didn’t men­tion it. i wanted to remind u i know u’re anx­ious to comment!

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  38. jeff parker says:
    November 28, 2008 at 08:31

    he drinks and they all drink. they are a bunch of hyp­ocrites. why his daugh­ters walk with­out head cov­ered but in saudi ara­bia he gives women death penalty for dri­ving or not cov­er­ing face?

    he just come to my town last week and his sons drink wine and he also does it in Chester’s over here.… Jalal tal­a­bani of iraq also comes here and does the same thing.…

    here is a link.
    http://www.startribune.com/local/34749324.html?elr=KArks:DCiUHc3E7_V_nDaycUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU

  39. Nasser Al-Hammad says:
    November 28, 2008 at 14:28

    Mus­lim in Canada, i will be back inshalla after Dec16th when i am done with my finals„, just quick point,when i was skim­ming the com­ments, one of them said what have Saudis given to the world rather than oil?, well, what have all arabs and many other third world coun­tries given rather than noth­ing? any­ways, i will be back soon hopefully

  40. normal objective says:
    November 30, 2008 at 11:07

    if it is true .this shows how much salafi move­ments are hypcrits and how much silent mus­lims are v bad includ­ing me
    thank u

  41. normal objective says:
    November 30, 2008 at 11:09

    If this king drunk wine i cant imag­ine how much his heart is hard or may this empha­size that he is not mus­lim and from the jews off­spring so he is kafir

  42. ali alian says:
    November 30, 2008 at 15:41

    whether he drunk or not he has done worse than drink­ing .sup­port­ing dis­be­liev­ers against his nation.
    not just,dictator,not tak­ing care of his people,helping amer­ica against palestinians.…

  43. Muslim in canada says:
    December 10, 2008 at 01:53

    Nasser I hope u do well in ur exams and I wish there are more and more edu­cated and cul­tured mus­lims out there.

    I don’t know if any­onw saw the Azhar Moufti in the dia­logue of reli­gions held in new york and spon­sored by abdallah…he actu­ally shook hands with Chi­mon Perez the chil­dren killer in lebanon and pales­tine (Qana 1996)..I think the pro-american arab coun­tries have decided to go out of the closet and declare out wide that they give up on mus­lim causes all over..

    Nasser I have a wish from you: You hap­pen to come from a land that god blessed (or cursed u never know!) with oil and that’s what put it on the map..don’t talk in a chau­vin­is­tic way about third world coun­tries that were not blessed as much as the holy lands..

    Adha Moubarake everyone.

  44. leyla says:
    December 10, 2008 at 15:32

    That did not look like a glass of water , who are saudis try­ing to fool . the saudis have a bad rep­u­ta­tion with wine and women in Beirut , in Lon­don and now in Dubai too . may the cus­to­di­ans of the Harameins felt it was ok to let his hair down (what lit­tle he has ) and have some wine before he goes back to Fanatic wahabi saudi arabia

  45. Layla Anwar says:
    December 12, 2008 at 04:39

    Ha, all this quid pro quo for a glass and no one knows what was inside of it… wine or water or coca cola…
    UTTER STUPIDITY, this is cheap sen­sa­tion­al­ism to say the least.…
    As for that idiot Leyla above…Better alco­hol if at all than HEROIN dens…you hypocrite.

  46. Abdallah says:
    December 13, 2008 at 20:21

    To Layla Anwar
    no one knows what was in the glass of wine, but we all know what is the Holy Land : Amer­i­can none mus­lim G.I. Joes
    We all know what is in the mus­lim land of saudi ara­bia, a fanatic land that rejects none mus­lims, and we know what is in the saudi palace, an amer­i­can spy and an israeli slave, bend over, bend over and kiss the israeli hand that is killing the pales­tin­ian chil­dren, may tomor­row sharon will step in makka with his shoe on like he did in Al Aqsa, failed reli­gion with failed fol­low­ers , that’s what is islam show­ing today, or what the saudi king is try­ing to sell, for­tu­natelly this is not the true islam , he none fanatic one, the islam that rec­og­nizes the human rights, well all that is only in books, never in actions, may be mus­lims never read their quran

  47. Bana says:
    December 28, 2008 at 05:12

    What is this I see? Is every­one actu­ally blam­ing Saudis for every dis­ap­point­ment in the Arab world? ok..lets think in an objec­tive man­ner..
    1) Despite what we might all think, for Mus­lims, “Alysa b3’9a el’9anni ethm?”.. what IF it was apple juice?..just WHAT IF?.. for none Mus­lims: you’re prob­a­bly from a coun­try that wor­ships the states and wants to be a replica of the US..(like most coun­tries around the world” How many pres­i­dents were accused with adul­tery? or isn’t Adul­tery a sin in Christianity?..so please.. never EVER judge a coun­try from it’s leader’s actions..
    2) For the ones who say Saudis aren’t edu­cated.. well.. if you don’t believe in sta­tis­tics and facts made by offi­cial orga­ni­za­tions, then why on earth would you believe me? :) BTW..Prince Saud Al-Faisal For­eign Min­is­ter of Saudi Ara­bia is a Prince­ton grad­u­ate.. his brother, Prince Turki Al-Faisal is a George­town grad­u­ate.. My father and grand­fa­ther before him (we’re ordi­nary peo­ple not roy­alty at all) are Impe­r­ial Col­lege graduates..People who work for King Abdul­lah (who actu­ally make all the deci­sions in Saudi) vary from Har­vard grad­u­ates to Stand­ford to Saudi col­leges grad­u­ates.. now tell me.. who is call­ing us une­d­u­cated again?! Mind you all.. most Saudis started to get edu­cated in the half cen­tury, because we’re a devel­op­ing country,so we’re not YET devel­oped.. we never actu­ally had a decent civ­i­liza­tion in the penin­sula because it is a desert, so you HAD to be Bedouins..in order to SURVIVE!! (Thats why it wasnt ever an impor­tant “loca­tion” under the rule of Islamic Khalifa’s, only that its holy”..
    3) As for all the ppl who were ask­ing what Saudi did to the Arab world..we’ll lets see.. A LOT? lol EVER watched a doc­u­men­tary about Saudi? Do you even know any­thing about Saudi? Oh My God.. I lived my whole life in saudi up untill last year..and I swear..I SWEAR..we give money like CRAZY to peo­ple in Pales­tine, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Lebanon and actu­ally everyone!!!..Palestinians in here were given jobs before edu­cated Saudis had a chance, Pales­tini­ans get paid more that Saudis by the way..or it used to be that way..I’m not sure now..although most Pales­tini­ans don’t appre­ci­ate all the help, thats why I per­son­ally have grudges against them…you’d still find them talk­ing about us lol.. you know..maybe if Pales­tini­ans were as smart as the jews, and didnt whine a lot and actu­ally worked hard to get to places and did exactly what jews did.. there would’ve been a big chance that Pales­tine would be regained.. but no.. they whine all the time..and blame Saudis in the end.. just like Iraqi’s now..or some I dont want to gen­er­al­ize :) AND STOP BLAMING SAUDI.. WE HAVE OUR OWN COUNTRY’S PROBLEMS.. BLAME YOUR GOVERNMENTS.. BLAME YOUR PEOPLE.. FOR GOD’S SAKE!! .. and I’ve trav­elled the whole world ever since I was in my mother’s tummy.. lol ..and no one has ever called me or any of my fam­ily names.. they still think we have oil wells in our back yards and live in tents…and if i’ve trav­elled to where they were rid­ing a camel… I just feel sorry for all of us, I mean, when I see arabs talk to me like an idiot, and think we’re unwor­thy of our money.. just because they hear me talk in a Saudi accent and wear hijab..its sad.. cuz they’re the idiots when we start an intel­lec­tual con­ver­sa­tion..
    No one should be under­es­ti­mated, no mat­ter what stereo­types we have..we’re all broth­ers and sis­ters in the end..I wish you all a great life being open minded and I wish el3izza comes back to Islam .. and I wish my Saudi peo­ple pros­per­ity… and Always remem­ber.. we’re HUMAN BEINGS before any­thing else.. Salam!

  48. Muslim in Canada says:
    December 31, 2008 at 20:07

    To Bana,

    Thank you for your very civ­i­lized com­ment and I highly respect what you wrote. I dis­agree that saudis are not edu­cated, they are and they have the means to be also, but that is not the point.
    The ques­tion asked here is how this edu­ca­tion and wealth are being used? is it being used to ben­e­fit islam or not?
    I don’t care about racial com­ments about saudis or any­one else, La you­far­rakou 3arabiyene 3ala 3ajamiyene illa bel taqwa, so how is it if you are talk­ing about another arab?!! we are all equal but our reli­gion give us the capi­bil­ity to become bet­ter human beings. How is that is going to hap­pen while islam is being manip­u­lated with and mus­lim coun­tries that stands against amer­i­cans are being pun­ished and their peo­ple slaugh­tered? And saudi king is mak­ing reli­gions dia­logue with the killers and the abusers while he can’t even issue a deny­ing state­ment of what’s hap­pen­ing in Gaza.
    My prob­lem is not with the saudi peo­ple, I know they’re kind and respect­ful but the prob­lem is with the con­tra­dic­tions they live in and the wine glass is a very sim­ple but strong exam­ple. Wine and religion..Wahabbism and openism to the west…terrorist attack­ers and peace lovers…Wealth and high rates of unemployement.…fundraising money for mus­lim coun­tries and then stab­bing it in the back polit­i­cally..
    Coun­tries don’t need your money as much as they need your polit­i­cal support…palestinians need you the same you did in 73 help them and don’t leave them to be killed ..put pres­sure on egypt..stop fol­low­ing amer­i­cans and sup­port­ing wahabbi thought…
    We don’t need your money ..money can’t buy dig­nity or freedom